need someone to talk me down on a transplant

[podboy3]

ok, here it is. i love my I-6 and i do not want to put a v-8 in my 66 stang. i have been doing some reading and i am just not sure what to do.
you guys might want to kill me for saying this.
but i was thinking japanese I-6. the one i want i would have to have shipped it is a RB25DET 2.5L duel overhead cam with single turbo. they also make a 2.6 twin turbo. i know the engie would fit but i really feel bad doing this to my girl, it is just that very few car companies have continued with the I-6 as a performance engine.
i have also thought about the thunderbird supercoupe V-6 since i have one pretty much handy.

but what are my choices with the 200cid that is in it now. it was rebuilt and only has about 8,000 miles on the rebuild. nothing special just stock rebuild. but with the manifold being part of the head i am limited. has anyone put sidedrafts on the intake log. i am basically looking for a solid well planned starting point that i can build to and then progess from there as time permits.
thanks

 

[Kinky6]

As much as I like inlines, the idea of putting the T-bird supercharged V6 and trans in an early stang is interesting, and would probably make a neat looking package; but I wouldn't want it for my project.

How about getting a Aussie 2V head, and bolting that onto your stock six? Fabricate a custom intake, and use the Eaton blower off of the T-bird (and the T-5 or automatic while you're at it). The stock rebuild probably has a low enough C.R. to be safe with a blower. Come to think of it, yank the 3.73 ratio disc brake rear end from the 'bird, have it narrowed to 67", and then bolt that 8.8 axle in your 'stang.

Sticking a Japanese inline six in your early Mustang may be O.K. as a novelty item, but if you're going to import an engine, why not a late-model FORD over-head cam fuel-injected 12 port crossflow inline six from Australia? The resources and advice to do this can be found on this website.

Plus, then you can put a "Powered by Foster's" sticker in the back window, instead of those lame-o kanji stickers that every other rice-burner runs!

Later, Kinky6 8)

 

[Anonymous]

amen brother

 

[CobraSix]

First,

do you really want all that electronic gear in your car? You are adding many points of failure. I love the shear simplicity of a Carb.

Anyways, beyond that. the 232 V-6 should fit nicely in the engine bay of a mustang. I wouldn't bother with anything prior to 1999 though. Before that, the V-6 (NA) only made about 160 BHP. 1999+ made 197 BHP Normally Aspirated. Teh 232 block is nothing but a 302 block cut down. From what I gather, it is the same block design with the same mounting points as the 302 so it should mount easily into the classic mustangs. I would verify this with your own measurements. The 99+ V-6 is nice. I have one in a 99 mustang (duh) and it can hold it's own. Easily spins tires shifting into 2nd (like car going sideways) and that is with 255/45 ZR-17s. I haven't tried the 3rd gear yet.

But honestly, at that point, might as well put the [CENSORED] in the car. YOu going through that much trouble.

The V-8 debate is going to always be in the back of the mind of a 6 cylinder owners. It is always in the back of my mind. But it gives you a reality check and you should keep in mind your end goal. If your end goal is a 450 HP streetable (or somewhat streetable) car...well, the V-8 is the most economical and reliable way to do it. Sorry to say it...but there it is.

By the time this winter rolls around, I would have probably put the same amount of money into my 200 as it would have cost putting a V-8 in. My performance will be about the same as a stock 289/302. So I always think about it. Where is my pay out? When I pop the hood and people marvel at the engine. I also have the pride in knowing what I have is more unique then just another V-8 buildup in a mustang. I also get the money back as I can actually pass gas stations without having to stop since I get around 26 MPG on the highway.

Remember...6 is a state of mind. V-8 is the quick and easy way to power. That way leads to the darkside...

Slade

 

[CobraSix]

I realized I never answered your question in my philosophical reading.

Go read the Hardcore inline tech forum here...you'll see all sorts of crazy ideas floating around...and a few of us crazy enough to try them.

Slade

 

[Anonymous]

I'd be looking at this had I not just finished mine... http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8551

 

[podboy3]

everyone has good points on this build.
first of all, i really would like a carbed motor, my everyday driver is a 2000 dodge neon that seems to hold up well against the comp. a few v-8 that i know can beat it. and the V-8 to me is not even a choice. it is the easy way for horse power but that is not what i am looking for. the early mustangs to me seem to be built for the six, and i guess if you look at what ford had in mind for it the car really was built for a six. the weight ratio is much better you get handling just too bad we were shorted on performance. the aussie head has crossed my mind. i am not too up on the crossflow or whatever it is, but am doing some reading.

the reason i mentioned that awful japanese I-6 is because with a single turbo on the 2.5 you are looking at almost 300 horses and the 2.6 twin turbo i have seen at 1,380 horses redlines atjust over 10 thousand and tops out at 215 MPH. not that i would want that but it shows you what the engine is capable of. with a 2.6 twin turbo you would have to convert an older 2.5 tranny because the 2.6 has all wheel drive.
unless you know someone that want to dump about 20 grand for what might be the worlds first all wheel drive resto-mod.

i am going to do some more reading though. i found this page through link of a closed I-6 mustang site and last night i just found the tech pages.

it looks like my plans are going to be as follows though.
aussie head (that is correct, right?)
custom intake, duel side draft (will it fit?)
duel exhaust
T-5 with cable conversion
possible coil overs, lower car a bit
5 lug, disk brake swap, also the rear end from the 89 supercoupe is a independent suspension, (can i make that work, or would it cost too much)
i could add more but this post is longwinded as it is.

 

[CobraSix]

Read people's personal web pages too...there is a lot of information out there.

Slade

 

[Anonymous]

keep the 6 a d just drive it and be happy. Kinda like being married and the grass seems greener. Stick with your 6 for better or worse. You want different? buy an additional car...

my 2¢

 

[xzerokidx]

my everyday driver is a 2000 dodge neon that seems to hold up well against the comp. a few v-8 that i know can beat it.

My 63 falcon is my daily driver
My 97 neon is the little beast on the streets with a
2.4 dohc motor swap out of a dodge caravan

 

[podboy3]

xzero,
nice to see ya getting out of the import scene a bit and into the classics, i was raised with classecs and got into the import scene to see what they were all about after they started spanking me at the races.
i still like them and they are fun to drive, and they are great for the everyday driver who wants a little go and not go broke on gas.
anyway, i will stop that train of thought

you guys on the board need to find a way to make me shut up when i just ramble on and on.

i think for my sake and my cars i am going to leave the 200 in and make her all she can be.

 

[x21]

Yeah- i did it the way chaz recommended. I get my V-8 kicks in my other Stangs. Even though the V-8s of my 'fleet' outnumber the lone I-6, I still love that motor more than even the infamous 5.0L H.O. in the LX. Its incredibly easy to work on & have access to everything, and just a fun motor.

 

[Anonymous]

i think for my sake and my cars i am going to leave the 200 in and make her all she can be.

amen

if only women thought this way instead of trying to add aftermarket stuff....