PCV question?

[Anonymous]

Should there be something in the valve cover to prevent oil from entering the PCV?

Mine has a small tray under the location, which with this rocker setup now fills with oil, and the valve has a fair amount of oil on the base.

Is this getting into the carb and intake? is that normal? should I worry about it? seems like there is more than before I rebuilt the engine?

 

[Anonymous]

no thats not normal. :idea: Thats why you`r car has been smoking so bad

 

[Anonymous]

What can I do to make sure no oil goes in through the PCV?

Should I change the style of the PCV valve?

 

[Anonymous]

You need to redesign your pcv system like I had to for mine, I have the roller tipped rockers and my pcv system sucked oil like crazy

If your interested, I can scrounge up the parts out in the shop and take some pictures if you would like? You can order all the stuff to make it from transdapt (TD Performance)

The only problem I can see, is you need to move the monte carlo bar away from your pcv valve...you need to have more room there to install the proper equipment

Later,

Doug

 

[Anonymous]

Mustang Geezer, since my OZ headed 200 is starting to go together, I'd be interested in the specifics of your solution.

 

[CobraSix]

I believe the set up he is refering too is really only needed for the roller tipped, or full oil through roller rockers that AzCoupe sells. Geezer doesn't have an Aussie head...so it isn't an Aussie head problem, it is a rocker problem.

Graeme, not sure what you are putting on your 200 head.

Slade

 

[Anonymous]

Doug...

I would love to see what you came up with...
I am going to leave the car parked today, and hopefully I can figure this out tonight... if I have to order parts... then it may take a little longer.

I cannot believe there has been no mention of this problem before... it really sucks oil pretty bad... both the front and the back.

I am removing the Monte Carlo bar anyway, installing a TCP replica I got from 66mustang...

any and all information you can pass along would be greatly appreciated....

I went to the TDperformance website, and I cannot see much there, they do not have an website ordering system, so I guess it is by mail. But I should be able to pick up some or most of it locally I hope! Summit sells a bunch of TD products...


Thanks


Jimbo

 

[Anonymous]

See what a little searching can gain!

I pulled this from your website Doug! Hope you don't mind!
I like this, I like the look of it as much as I like the idea...
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If you can get me a little info, and any parts names or numbers I would really appreciate it!
I am going to try and do this ASAP... I loose my daily driver car this weekend and have to be running full time by Saturday!

Looks great... I like the exhaust setup too...

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks!

Try this 1st,

Try using one of these caps on your valve cover then install the pcv valve in that...it raises the valve up and away from the valve cover and the oil. Mine is the same as this one just chromed.

The cap is a stock Ford twist on unit found on most cars in the 70's and 80's. It originally had a plastic 90 degree elbow in it but that can be easily removed and a pcv valve installed in its place.

TD offers a style similar to this in a twist on or push on style....It doesnt look the same (the breather) but it has a hole in the top to install the valve.

Remember try this 1st and see if it works!!

Heres a picture of a Mopar breather with a TD adapter that mounts to the underside of a air cleaner. These are for use if you are getting oil spitting out of the breather and running down your valve cover!!! A lot of people running superchargers will run this style of breather setup.

I got this idea from Car Craft.....I was running it with my other ram air setup but was unable to use it with my current one...

Hope this helps!

Later,

Doug

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the info.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear that I'm installing roller tipped rockers.

 

[Anonymous]

OK I am back, I had to go out of town for a few days...

I am determined to solve this problem ASAP...

I installed the grommet that raises the PCV out of the valve cover an additional 1/2 inch, and that does not work. It still sucks oil.

I went around town looking for one of the 71 style caps from TD performance and they are not making that one anymore... the current catalog does not offer it... so I am leaning towards the MOPAR cap and in-line breather... (which I think is my only option, other than eliminating the thing!)

I am going to get a cap, some hose, and an inline valve...


Now when I install this, do I keep both caps, my current breather cap in the rear and the mopar cap in front with the PCV installed in-line... or should I plug one of the holes on the valve cover and run only the mopar breather and PCV line?


Thanks... hope to stop this oil soon, it is not making things run any better..

 

[weeds]

Air goes in one and out the other. If you seal one of them, no more goesinta, just the goesouta. You need them both.

 

[Anonymous]

That is what I thought...

I went shopping and here are my choices for now...

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On the left is a neat little item, it is a PCV valve that looks like a breather cap, this has no filter in it... it will still suck oil through the PCV valve, but it will collect in the cap, and not go into the engine, unless it fills up.
I would have to change the valve and empty it out periodically if I was to use this, and there is the possibility it will cause the valve to fail faster as it will have oil in it.

The other items are the cap and in-line stuff, I could not find a chrome cap where I went so I got this one for now... I am less concerned with how it looks and more concerned with getting it right.... I can always swap in a chrome one later.

I bought the PCV looking cap at one store, before I found the parts to do this in-line... I am thinking it would be better to use the in-line valve, since it will still filter the oil out through the cap, but will drain back into the engine, and keep the PCV valve clean and clear...

only problem now is I do not have the right grommet for this cap, it is bigger than my other one... dang have to go back now!

Well I really hope this works... it may not look like much...
but I will change some of it around once I am sure this is what I need.

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by the way? Doug? or someone? does this In-line PCV need to be vertical? or can it be on it's side even a slight angle?

 

[addo]

Did you see my comments about over-oiling the top end?

 

[Anonymous]

Yes I did, but I am a little timid about doing it? Not sure why...

Could you explain to me what problems would too much oil flow cause?
My pressure is pretty good... it idles around 43 and on the highway cruising at 3200 rpms it hits 52 on the meter.

Since I solved the PCV issue... and I have. What would doing that do for me?

and what type pipe cleaners? just plain old white ones with the wire in the middle? do you just stick them down in there?

Would they come out? would they cause a blockage? I am more worried about something clogging than too much?

I am posting the rest of the results from tonights road test in the other post.... check it out!

 

[Falcon62]

Jimbo - Addo is referring to restricting the amount of oil flow going to the top end of the engine. This is a common "problem" in the FE family and the fix is to place a small restrictor in the oil holes that feed the rocker shafts. In the non-side oiler version FE, this keeps oil in the bottom end where it's needed most.

In your case, with pressurized pushrods, you may well be over oiling the top end. Although it might be preferable to restrict the amount of flow, I don't think it's as necessary as with the FE. Here's why, in the I6, pressurized oil leaves the filter and enters the main oil gallery. From there, oil is fed to the mains, and then to the cam bearings. In the non-side oiler FE, oil enters the main gallery which is in the center of the block just above the cam journals. This gallery first feeds the cam journals and rocker assemblies before the mains. In a high winding FE, this can lead to oil starvation in the most critical area - the mains. That's why it's so important to restrict oil flow to the top end, and is the primary reason the side oiler block was designed.

You could probably safely restrict oil flow to the top side of your engine, but how much is enough? I wondered about the pipe filters not staying in place, and what about the fibers? If they came loose, would they harm bearings? I don't know, so I defer to someone who knows more than I.