Pony Carburetors

[Anonymous]

I noticed a lot of people on here have 2bbl carbs on their 200's. I have a very strong running 1bbl right now but it would be nice to make the switch in the future...anyways, here's my story...

I emailed Pony Carburetors, as it looked like a really good site to get a new carb from. I said that I had a 200 w/ the 1bbl and had read that the 2bbl is a good performance/efficiency upgrade (from this site as well as the Falcon Handbook). I told him that I knew I had to get an adaptor but that wouldn't be a problem. I asked about the autolite 2100 and if they would recommend it and also for a price quote.

Well, I get a reply from the guy, and he just went off on this tangent about how I "wouldn't be able to do that, it's like trying to fit a size 12 foot into a size 10 shoe". He also said that whoever told me this would be a good idea didn't know what they were talking about. He also took a shot at my 200, saying that I shouldn't even bother doing anything to it since it's not a performance engine...

I guess my question here is have any of you guys had this same problem from people or had this same incident with Pony Carburetors? I was extremely mad after reading the email and deleted it (wish I had kept it so all of you could read it...)

 

[simon]

Ask six people, and you might wind up with a dozen different answers.

Several times, I was told that ponycarbs doesn´t like to see their carbs used for performance oriented hop ups, or any hop ups for that matter.

They just rework and sell carbs for stock applications, which is fine.

But then again, like everybody else, they don´t know everything in life.

Fact is, the falcon six is a chronically undercarbed engine. A stock and healthy six pulls so much vacuum that you could even skip the whole choke plate assembly on your stock 1bbl if you´re good at tuning carbs and ignition.

So, don´t be mad at ponycarbs or their email.
The Schjeldahl bros know what they´re doing, so do the most of us on this forum. If you want a 2100 from ponycarbs, just claim you´ll need it for a 2V small block, and prepare t be on your own or on this froum when it comes to troubleshooting, but don´t rely on ponycarbs alone.

 

[wsa111]

Pony carburetors is a very fine company. They produce quality products.

One option you have is to get a 1 barrel 1100 with the 223 six venturi which flows 215 CFM & will bolt right on your present log. By the way is available from pony carburetors.

I have used this carb before & it is a nice bolt on especially with the miniscule log & valve size of the 67 head.

If Ihad to do it again, rather than buying a later log head & doing a direct mount carb without an adapter, I would wait & get either an oz head,argie head or wait for FSPP's head.

Jon from pony carburetors is very knowledgeable & like simon says doesen't want to get involved in an area other than a stock application.

Remember Jon is from New York so he speaks his mind probably more than someone from your area of the country, just a different lifestyle.

You are the buyer, take your choice. William

 

[Anonymous]

Just go with a Holley 350 cfm 2 Bbl

Later,

Doug

 

[MustangSix]

I used to get the same thing from the local Mustang club - kind of motivated me to show them that it would work. Freekin' restorers.....drive me crazy.

 

[Anonymous]

no no not at all ive done business with pony carbs alot in the past. he said the same thing to me but i just blew him off what he meant is that a six has the integrated log and putting a 2 barrel carb on a hole ment for a 1 barrel carb wont work. i agree and understand what the guy has to say but with upgrading to a 2 barrel carb on our motors we dont want more fuel into it we want more air. thats why alot of folks go with a 350cfm holley2300 because on a stock motor that is the best upgrade without switching cams and so on. as far as pony carburetors they have never sent me in the wrong direction and stand buy all the products they sell very well. great company, even though its ran by a bunch of chevy v8 guys.

wes

 

[xctasy]

The 2100 or 2150 Autolite and Motorcraft won't fit a log head engine as well as a Holley carb. Pony carbs has there exceptional reputation to uphold.

Theory is a good thing, but the practicality of the single barrel log head rules out theory.


Yes, everyone says putting two barrels over a 1.3 to 1.75" hole is stupid, but we still do it, and it works just fine.


Every article in Australia suggested unless its a 2V head, forget hotting it up. Well, everyone else is wrong. A log head can work just fine with a 2300 or 5200 Holley.

Proof?

1. there is one turboed 250 six which does 12's, and that proves it works.

2. One Aussie guy on Cardomain (and a member here), with a 1963 Futura who does 13.6's standing quaters with with a stock 200 log with headers, a 500 cfm Holley2-bbl , a Clifford 2-bbl adaptor on the early small log and just one Fogger N20 Nozzle. Power up from 65 rwhp to roughly twice that.

Kind of cheats the laws of physics!

 

[hasa68mustang]

If Ihad to do it again, rather than buying a later log head & doing a direct mount carb without an adapter, I would wait & get either an oz head,argie head or wait for FSPP's head.

I am going to have to agree, but at the time I was already on the list for an oz head and there was VERY little talk about FSPP's... man would I love to have a bunch of money and go all out... but for now I am stuck with a $1500 100 hp MONSTER!!! just think if I were to but 1500 in a v8... I would be stuck with a motor like everyone elses... thats what I would have... but about pony I have heard what everyoen else is saying.. they dont believe their carbs should be used for performance or something...

 

[66 Fastback]

I thought the Mustang was a bit under carbed when my stock 1958 Harley with a 74 cu in engine had a larger carb venturi than the Mustang. And the Harley's old Linkert carb was already an antique in 1958 as far as carb technology goes. Neither engine probably sees anything past 4500 rpm. With regards to the restriction of the log's small openning; it has some effect, but it is a short "length" and not a huge impairment. The log itself has more effect on the engine breathing. Look at the size of the tiny holes of the restrictor plates that NASCAR puts under those carbs. It is amazing that they are still able to generate the HP and speeds that they do.
If you thought along the lines of the Pony Carb "salesman", what would be the use of souping up any engine? There is always someone out there with a bigger engine or some supperior technology that will spank anything you put on the road. Most grey beards looked at souping up 4 bangers as a wasted effort. But there are many 4 bangers that will humble V-8 muscle cars or of the past.
Doug

 

[xctasy]

Oh yeah, I think 80Stang has a 2100 on his 1981 Mustang.

Pony Carburetors respond to problems by thinking the way the factory did, and if there are problems, they may be arrogant, but its based on the factory information they work with.

Look at Pony Carburetors Triple Autolite 2110 version of the old Holley triple carb Shelby/Total Performance 289 set-up. Magic!

I'd love to see how a 2150 would fit the direct mount to a log head. It's got bumps and crags which will hit things unless it is cut up like Pony Carbs does to its 2110 anualar discharge carbs.

 

[CZLN6]

Howdy All:

I have had no personal experience with Pony Carb, except to read and reread their fine "Ford Carb Guide" book. Based on that It is clear they know their stuff. I suspect they are reluctant to promote their products into applications where they don't know and can't hope to controm the variables.

THe Autolite 2100 is an excellent choice for an upgrade. The pluses are a wide variety of sizes, simple & easy to work on/rebuild, has annular discharge venturi boosters, is a direct swap for a Holley 2300, is less prone to bowl leaks than a Holley, and can use a Holley Power Valve.

The down side is they are no longer being made and some parts are scarce- like jets.

Fantomex- for your application I'd suggest an early 2100 in a size 1.14. They were used on '64 -69 full size Fords with 289/302. They are slightly richer in the idle circuit than the later 1.08 size that replaced them.

Don't be afraid to get a core and rebuild it yourself. THe kets are relatively cheap and easy to follow.

Sometimes you have to make your own path.

Adios, David

 

[645blitz]

I've dealt with pony carbs a couple of times and they only deal with stock applications. In a way it's good to deal with people on the level of non performance because of all the variables of a performance engine that might not be compatible with an upgrade to the carburetor. The comment on the vaccum was excellent because an upgrade of fuel flow to a 170 or 200 (for example) isn't as important as the upgrade in vacuum. Your log intake is still going to be the same unless you modify the intake freestyle like. Pony carbs kind of has to draw the line or else everybody would be calling them with questions that they don't want to be accountable for. Ultimately they need to be in the stance where it isn't their fault if the carb isn't working right in the one application that they wish to discuss.