All Small Six Thinking of Ideas for 200 upgrades

[Stubborn_SixCylinder]

I am currently thinking about upgrading my 1966 Ford 200ci engine and one of the things I want to upgrade is the camshaft and the water pump. I have an idea for the camshaft but not entirely certain what water pump i should try out, I know that Meziere and Davies Craig are options but I have no clue which model to go with since if I get a electric pump I will also want to upgrade to an electric fan. The engine block was bored .030 over when it went to the shop. The only mod on the engine is the header kit, I eventually want to move to the Holley Sniper EFI but that will be a future endeavor with the car. Any help would be appreciated.

This is the Camshaft that I am considering

H-264-0-B - Ford Hydraulic Flat Tappet - Good Vacuum - Good Idle - Good Economy - 144, 170, 200, 250

Ford good economy camshaft H-264-0-B from Clay Smith Custom Cams, 144, 170, 200, 250.

claysmithcams.com

 

[awasson]

I built a 200 a couple of years ago with a Clay Smith camshaft (H-6474-0-B). You will have to get the double roller adjustable timing chain and gear set and you will have to degree it correctly with a degree wheel and dial indicator.

I coupled my camshaft improvement with a Weber 38/38 carburetor, header and HEI ignition. The improvement is substantial. I also have an electric fan. I recommend that too. It cools better than the mechanical fan and only comes on as needed. It’s not necessary when the car is in motion or the weather is cold.

The next upgrade is to upgrade the head/log to something better. If cost is no concern, get an Argentinian head, intake and header. Cost is a concern to me so I just got a newer “large” log which I am having machined for bigger valves (intake and exhaust) and I’ll have it shaved and the valves back cut to boost compression and improve flow. I’ll also have the log machined to direct mount the carburetor to the intake log. That will make a massive improvement as well.

The fuel injection will be a big improvement for sure.

I have not considered getting an electric water pump. I’m not sure that it will make much difference performance wise.

Oh, the biggest improvement was swapping out the 3-speed manual and installing a T5 from an early 90’s Fox Body Mustang.

 

[DON]

You can look at this for an upgrade water pump

1641 1960-1975 170 200 221 L6 Ford water pump

Flowkooler high flow pump 1641 for the Ford L6 has a CNC machined billet impeller designed with an increased vane count and a tighter impeller clearance. It achieves greater flow rates, higher head pressure and a more efficient flow. The impeller color is due to Type II Class II military grade...

flowkoolerwaterpumps.com

 

[63 Sprint]

I eventually want to move to the Holley Sniper EFI but that will be a future endeavor with the car. Any help would be appreciated.

I just saw this and felt that I should post about the Holley Sniper TBI systems.

Please do an AI search about reliability issues with them. I personally fought for about two years using the Sniper 2300. The unit never worked right. I spent days (not hours) with Holley tech support trying to get it to work correctly. After almost a year of headaches. Holley sent a replacement and that unit was worse than the original after 10,000 miles. I sent it back for repair and after about eight weeks they sent me an email saying that it was repaired. Well I got it back and opened it up and nothing was done to it. I took pictures and sent the pictures to the Tech support manager and arranged an on line conference . When we had the conference. I showed him everything. He agreed that nothing was touched with the TBI and he apologized. He decided to send me a brand new (third) complete Sniper setup. When I got it. I immediately sold it and took a huge loss. Over two years of frustration, I went with carburetor and never looked back.

Question:
Is eight weeks waiting to get a Sniper serviced acceptable? And when getting the Sniper back and finding that nothing was touched, is this acceptable?

My understanding is ALL TBI manufacturers are having problems. Again, please do homework and research the problems with them.

It was written on this form that people that are using the Sniper 1100 are not having problems. Well, if you do research, you will find that problems are starting to surface. It took a while, and it doesn’t look pretty.

Now, if a person takes the car out once a month or puts on less than a 1,000 miles a year, they might be ok. It’s a risk that they would have to take.

Personally I wouldn’t invest in anything from any TBI manufacturer.

Unfortunately the stock SBF heads in the US don’t have provisions for port injection. Port injection is probably the only ones that I would risk trying.

Personally, I’m fine with staying carburetor. For myself, it’s less headaches and cheaper. And most of all they work when properly tuned, and are much more reliable.

 

[Wayne clark]

I am currently thinking about upgrading my 1966 Ford 200ci engine and one of the things I want to upgrade is the camshaft and the water pump. I have an idea for the camshaft but not entirely certain what water pump i should try out, I know that Meziere and Davies Craig are options but I have no clue which model to go with since if I get a electric pump I will also want to upgrade to an electric fan. The engine block was bored .030 over when it went to the shop. The only mod on the engine is the header kit, I eventually want to move to the Holley Sniper EFI but that will be a future endeavor with the car. Any help would be appreciated.

This is the Camshaft that I am considering

H-264-0-B - Ford Hydraulic Flat Tappet - Good Vacuum - Good Idle - Good Economy - 144, 170, 200, 250

Ford good economy camshaft H-264-0-B from Clay Smith Custom Cams, 144, 170, 200, 250.

claysmithcams.com

I am currently thinking about upgrading my 1966 Ford 200ci engine and one of the things I want to upgrade is the camshaft and the water pump. I have an idea for the camshaft but not entirely certain what water pump i should try out, I know that Meziere and Davies Craig are options but I have no clue which model to go with since if I get a electric pump I will also want to upgrade to an electric fan. The engine block was bored .030 over when it went to the shop. The only mod on the engine is the header kit, I eventually want to move to the Holley Sniper EFI but that will be a future endeavor with the car. Any help would be appreciated.

This is the Camshaft that I am considering

H-264-0-B - Ford Hydraulic Flat Tappet - Good Vacuum - Good Idle - Good Economy - 144, 170, 200, 250

Ford good economy camshaft H-264-0-B from Clay Smith Custom Cams, 144, 170, 200, 250.

claysmithcams.com

I run a 2300 Sniper & Hyper spark on the stock small log headed 200 in my 67 vert. Myself i love it . I had a few issues in the beguinning but worked thru them a corrected them . You can forget any tech help from Holley . The one guy they seem to have for help was swampped when ever i tried to call . I never talked to a soul that worked there . Me personaley i think it was some of the best money i've spent so far .

I ran that 2300 on the stock exhaust system & the points thru a Msd box for awhile . Then a header & duals . I ran it with a Dura spark for sometime . About 3 years ago i put a Paxton supercharger on it .
Game changer paired up with that Sniper set up .
That flow cooler water pump seems to work great . I've read they can cause leaks in the cooling system . Heater coil,radiator etc . My heater started leaking after a little time when i installed it . Don't have a clue if the 2 were connected or not. Easy fix i capped the hoses off at the block ,fixed .
Something like this i think is a personal choice a person has to make . In the 6 years i've ran mine i have seen a lot of hate post about the Snipers .
If you just want a knock around car with basicalley the power it came with, the one barrel seems like a good choice.. Any increase in power or performance with it i don't think will happen .
For what its worth don't waste your time on an external mounted EFI fuel pump. Use an intank like Holley sells .
I'll be the first to tell you its not cheap .
I'm in close to 5 grand just for all the Sniper components( fuel pump,hyper spark dist & Sniper )and that Paxton .
And that's not counting the grand i saved when i was putting the supercharger setup together .
Me i'm happy i have a 6 cyl that runs pretty strong ,more like a sbf v8 now . Makes for a pretty nice ride. With all the suspension work i don't worry about the car getting away from me when i'm out & get stupid in it .
Would i do it again? In a minute . My advise to anybody even thinking about it is make a true assement of your mechanical ability's . Just the getting everything on is work . You have any issues with the Sniper that's when it's a bitch ..
I was 67 when i started down that road & for an old school hotrod guy with nothing but carb experience it has been one steep learning curve.

 

[Kritas]

Everything I've read about the Sniper systems indicate that it's not as easy as bolting it in. I work with some vehicles that I tune with a computer and it's an iterative process. I'm putting a new LS engine with Holley fuel injection into my '35 Chevy and it should be interesting. I'm pairing it with a Gearstar 4L80 transmission.

 

[Wayne clark]

Everything I've read about the Sniper systems indicate that it's not as easy as bolting it in. I work with some vehicles that I tune with a computer and it's an iterative process. I'm putting a new LS engine with Holley fuel injection into my '35 Chevy and it should be interesting. I'm pairing it with a Gearstar 4L80 transmission.

I think a lot of people think its just that easy . Then when it's not they unload that piece of crap as most posts go & put a carb back on . Hell if it were that easy every body would be running one .