turbo update finally

I have good advice for anyone who is, or will be at some time, playing the boost or nitrous game. Invest in a jewler's loupe. This is the magnifying eyepiece that jewler's use to examine diamonds and other gems. I am not sure where to buy one but I got mine from a pawn shop owner who gave me one of his old ones. Reading plugs is a good habit to get into. Not only because it can identify damage occurring early enough to correct a problem before something bad happens but also because to a large extent your plugs will tell you if your tune is correct and if you making the kind of power you should be. The most important thing to look for on the plugs are specks of gray material. They can be veeerrry small, hence the need for the loupe. These specks are piston material whether they be forged or cast and will continue to destroy the pistons unless a change is made in either timing, air/fuel mixture or boost. The damage from detonation is not limited to direct deterioration of pistons either. It can also destabilize the valve springs, floating valves which can smack the pistons. The point here is to make reading your plugs a hobby. It can pay big dividends in long engine life and continued grin factor :)
 
Well went up to 0.035 squirters and almost eliminated the bog/hesitation. Upped the timing more to 18* or so, but it only ran worse. I am going to set the pump arm adjustment more aggressive, and go w/ a 0.037 or bigger size squirter. My idle mixture screws are a perfect 1 3/4 turns out w/ the 64 jets. I'm gettin' there, 'cause I hit @ 8psi of boost at 4500 rpm last night, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey on another note, I made one of those home-made boost controllers from an inline ball/spring pressure check valve and I heard to drill a 0.020 orfice on the side towards the compressor to help w/ spiking. Any suggestions?

Kirk
ps. Tommy you better be reading this and following along to help get your
tune just right.
 
kirkallen143":3e0tyrwj said:
I made one of those home-made boost controllers from an inline ball/spring pressure check valve and I heard to drill a 0.020 orfice on the side towards the compressor to help w/ spiking. Any suggestions?

The hole needs to be somewhere between the controller and the wastegate actuator. This lets the wastegate bleed off and close down again....otherwise the 'gate will stay open, and boost will be slow and come in late.

If you don't have a drill bit small enough, use the smallest bit you have and place a small sewing needle in the hole, then fill with 5 minute epoxy. Once it sets, slide the needle out. There's your hole.
 
Well I finally got the bronco back together and on the road (well for about 5 minutes worth). This is how it started:



And this is when we came back:



Do you think the bonnet was too low of a profile and caused bad flow or just cheap (got it from a junkyard)?

I was running with this set up: timing 15*initial, 20* adv centrifical w/ one light spring and one heavy spring (vacuum adv not hooked up), plus a 10* retard off of port side vacuum of carb (which the line blew off after the backfire). 64 jets, 6.5PV, and 0.040" squirters (pvcr are 0.0625"). My one step colder plugs(autolite 45) are set at 0.025". I could not see what boost I was running because have not hooked the light up in the gauge.

I have a feeling this is a timing issue, after I heard the big backfire that did that to the bonnet. Once you got it up to @ 2300 rpm it would start running flat, I mean no power at all. There was no denotation that I could hear. I think the centrifical is not coming in fast enough since I do not have the vacuum adv hooked up, so I will put the other lighter spring in. I am going to set the timing by the engine's highest vacuum reading I can get to see if that will help.

I might even try hooking the vacuum adv back up and setting the timing down to 10* or so, before I change out the centrifical adv spring. No (thinking out loud here), I had no problems coming off the line, just in the upper rpms. I'll try the timing at the highest vacuum reading and go from there (that is once I get a new METAL bonnet.)

Any suggestions, please?

Kirk
ps. what boost I did feal, sure felt good!
 
I'm running lean aren't I? I was reading over at turbomustangs and that sounds like it might be the culprit, or part of it. I will change back to the 68 jets. I'll check my plugs tonight, it was late last night so I did not after yesterday's mishaps.

Kirk
 
kirkallen143":7lk8lunv said:
I'm running lean aren't I? I was reading over at turbomustangs and that sounds like it might be the culprit, or part of it. I will change back to the 68 jets. I'll check my plugs tonight, it was late last night so I did not after yesterday's mishaps.

Kirk

I take this quote back, how could I be running lean when you have a backfire out your carb? That means fuel is there, making the backfire...thinking...it has to be not advancing or advanced far enough to keep up w/ the rpms, so it is a timing issue. I'll keep you updated.

Kirk
 
Lean could easily cause it to run flat and backfire.

I don't know why you insist on running a hose to the retard....just forget its even there.

The plastic bonnet makes a good "fuse". Who know what else may have broke.
 
Kirk if your 4412 is on older one it may not have blow-out protection for the powervalve. If you've blown your powervalve you'll never get your jetting sorted out.
 
Twinscrew":2rl61rgs said:
Kirk if your 4412 is on older one it may not have blow-out protection for the powervalve. If you've blown your powervalve you'll never get your jetting sorted out.

That's easy to find though, because it'll be SUPER RICH at idle.
 
Linc's 200":3jiqg8wa said:
Lean could easily cause it to run flat and backfire.

I don't know why you insist on running a hose to the retard....just forget its even there.

The plastic bonnet makes a good "fuse". Who know what else may have broke.

I'll pull it Linc, yeah you are right about the fuse (plastic bonnet). Just heard about how you wanted to be around 28* total timing. Maybe that's for the high entergy ignitions.

Kirk
 
Twinscrew":22eyk1r1 said:
Kirk if your 4412 is on older one it may not have blow-out protection for the powervalve. If you've blown your powervalve you'll never get your jetting sorted out.

I drilled out the PV protector, you are supposed to when modifying a carb for boost. I'll check to see if it has blown, thanks.

Kirk
 
I myself have never seen one that did not blow out completely. However, I heard of guys that could not get consistant jetting, going from lean to rich and back again without physically changing any jets all because of a damaged powervalve. Just something to keep in mind.
 
Yeah, retarding timing for boost is really old school. It used to be the school of thought with turbo engines, now it is considered to be a very last resort to control detonation.
 
Linc's 200":cqrbl8ua said:
Yeah, retarding timing for boost is really old school. It used to be the school of thought with turbo engines, now it is considered to be a very last resort to control detonation.

Especially when you have relatively inexpensive means of controlling detonation like water/alcolhol injection. Or if you wanted to fabricate up an air/liquid intercooler to keep your plumbing to a minimum. Heck, you could even get an air/air intercooler off an 2nd generation RX-7, add a hoodscoop and let it flow. (That's actually why the 2nd gen RX-7 turbo models had hood scoops and the n/a ones didn't. Most people also didn't realize the hoodscoop wasn't centered because it was placed over the intercooler!)
 
also, I think 8 psi is runnable with 93 octane and no other mods.
 
All right, its a new day.
Working on the dizzy, I first limited the centrifical adv to @ 12* by welding a spacer in the 10R slot (shooting for 10*, but got happy w/ the hand file) and not using vac adv at all. Set the initial timing to 18*BTDC, used the lighter springs on centrifical adv, and by 2300 rpms I am advanced fully at 32*. Very smooth running and transitions.
Now, I first tried the 0.040" squirter, thinking it was too much fuel, I decided to back down to the 0.037" squirter...I Have Solved My Off Throttle Bog/Hesitation. None what so ever, very smooth once I hit the throttle, I can ease into it or hammer it. One issue solved. Oh by the way, I am running @ 18"Hg at idle. One thing I did do is go ahead and put in the 72 jets back in, because had a slight hesitation in upper rpms with the 68 jets. Have not tried the 72 jets out yet, got too late last night.
I did get smart and go ahead and buy the Turbonetics aluminum bonnet, but forgot to get another hose from 3" to 2 1/4" to fill the transition b/tw bonnet and intake piping.
I'll keep y'all updated.

Kirk
 
Finally got a good run last night and OH MAN does this engine run like a scalded ape. My boost gauge at first was kind of jumpy at lower rpms (needle bouncing all over the place) but when I got into it ... 11 psi later @ 4500 rpm... GOOD GOD ALL MIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This bronco shot out like a rocket and ran good with no denotation and then...Oh yeah, there is a but then. Here comes the smoke blowing out of the engine compartment, some from the tail pipe, and the engine sounds like it is running on only 4 or 5 cylinders. Here is a pic of the last four plugs after a WOT run:

Doesn't the #6 plug look alittle wet to you? That's right sounds like a blown head gasket, or at least I hope that's what it is. The gasket must have blown around an oil gallery because it was enough to start pressurizing the crankcase and blew the dip stick out (and oil everywhere). The only thing I can think of is the gasket set out in the unconditioned garage for too long (waiting on that valve job, remember) and from the elements of nature, degraded...or it was just a bad head gasket!

Are Mike's gaskets any better than Fel-pro, the Cortega (?) brand.

Had the initial timing set at 18*BTDC, 13* mechanical adv only, points-type ignition, Autolite-45 plugs w/ 0.025" gap, 72 jets, 0.037" squirter, brown pump cam in #1 position, 6.5PV, stock 0.0625" pvcr's, boost referenced stock fuel pump. That's all I can think of for now. Well, it's back to pulling the head again...ain't it fun!

Kirk
 
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