Weber 38/38 hard warm starting problem

amartin83

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I replaced my autolite 1100 with a NEW Weber 38 on a 66 Mustang as the autolites I could find always had worn throttle shafts and were always beyond rebuilding. So I jet the weber so it idles very nicely and drives down the road with no hesitation or flatspots. When it is cold, 1 or 2 pumps is all it takes and it fires right up no problem at all. Car warms up choke opens fully (electric choke is hooked to stator terminal on alt.) and you are ready to go. Come back after a trip and shut the car off and let it sit for 20 minutes and try to start it. If I don't pump it it cranks and cranks. If I pump or hold it open it it will eventually fire up but runs weak as if it is only on a few cylinders but if I give it a few good revs it will return to a nice idle and you are ready for take off. I experienced this problem with aulolite 1100's also along with many other problems so it leads me to believe its other than carb related. I am running a new mechanical fuel pump (tried electric pump mounted near tank but made no diff and went back to mech). New radiator and everything, never runs over half on the temp gauge. Ignition is a rebuilt '68 points distributor with blue streak points and cap, at 15 degrees btdc running through an MSD 5 with vac advance hooked up to the proper port on the weber and a new bosch blue coil. No apparent vacuum leaks.
This car runs well, it has 93,000 miles and I don't think its ever been opened up. It idles smoothly, no knocks, no burning oil or coolant and seems to have been well maintained.

My newest theory is that when starting the hot starter or battery cable is causing such a draw/resistance that it deprives the ignition of enough electricity. As engine cranks with non functioning ignition excess fuel accumulates semi-flooding out the engine, which is why the engine when it does decide to run it doesnt run strong and rough untill you hold the throttle open for a while then its fine. But I have a hard time believing this could cause it as I would think I would notice a slower cranking starter or other electrical signs. I would do some more diagnosis but I really won't be near the car 'til next weekend but wanted to get any ideas.
 
that could be alot of things... when my 83fairmont 200 block is completely warmed up and I shut it off for 20 minutes and try to start it it takes a few cranks maybe about 3 seconds sometimes more... and then when it starts its real weak and almost putting but not but I give it some hard revs and it smooths out after one or two... Im not completly sure but i believe it is my carb... when its cold 2 pumps of gas and like instantly it starts and runs choke just opens and closes fully cuz its broke and I got it rigged kinda weird so lil harder starts on cold mornings... I replaced my distributor cap, wires, and plugs and the problem is still the same... if anyone does why this happens plz do give us some input=)
 
8) the problem you guys describe is a heat soak problem. common with the sixes, and some V8's also. you need to install an insulator between the carb and intake. remember the carb is over the hottest spot on the engine, the exhaust manifold. in fact if you touch the carb after running the engine then letting it sit for a while, oyu will find the carb gets almost too hot to touch.
 
Well I guess I just don't understand why I seem to be the only one or one of the few that experiences heat soak problems. It did this with the stock autolite 1100 too, so I would think others would have the problem. When it was stock I disconnected the water heat to the carb baseplate and it still did it. I live in Michigan where it doesn't get too hot, and everything else is in perfect order, so I guess its asking too much for this stupid thing to start nice and easy after a run. I will get a phenolic spacer for the carb. and see what happens other than that I don't know what to do if the problem is heat soak related.

Aaron
 
8) arron that is all you can do for heat soak. as for being one of the few that gets it, my falcon gets it all the time, and i can bet that there are several here on the board that get it also. you are not alone my friend.
 
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