thesameguy":2i7n8yj4 said:
That said, I think that flange will work, but it's not what you want. That flange lets you put the dual Weber crossflow intake from an old 1300cc motor onto your new Zetec. That's great if you've got one of those rare, expensive manifolds and you want your Locost or Escort to look right, but I think you have better options on a Zetec in a Falcon.
I'm going to pull that intake from the 2.0 in dad's scrap pile. From my rough eyeballing it looks like the intake bolt spacing is the same as the Burton adapter I posted above. I could probably make my own adapter plate out of 3/8" aluminum, drill, cut, grind, tap. It would be an easy way to get this motor running on a single carb and upgrade to a more complex induction system later. For that matter, I could probably make my own single carb intake with enough time. Any single carb recommendation? (CFM rating)
In regards to this one that you posted that uses DCOE 45's
Inlet manifold Ford Zetec E 2x45DCOE 93mm £160.82
(it should be worth noting that as of the time of this writing, $1.45 US = £1)
That intake would cost $233 (plus shipping and other unknown fees)
And I googled DCOE 45, they are at least $300 EACH and that intake requires 2, bringing this to at minimum $850 induction only solution.
Not very budget friendly for a cheapskate like me.
On to the next one.
Intake Manifold (ZEDCOE) -- Quads4Rods $ $378.13 plus $23 shipping.
Again with a pair of DCOE carbs, this would be just over $1000.00, again for induction alone. (mi no gusta)
thesameguy":2i7n8yj4 said:
You could also consider just injecting it. You could talk to these guys:
http://www.fswerks.com/collections/focu ... programmer
This could be interesting, the programmer is usually $400, however there is a guy on my local craigslist that recently posted one for sale $100, but it would have to be sent in to be 'unmarried' which is another $150. When I first saw it I was thinking about picking it up for my Ford 6.0 Powerstroke because in stock form my 6.0 is OK, no complaints. But I decided to wait a while and buy a
Gryphon from PowerHungryPerformance. I'm going with a Fuel Injection Control Module (FICM) programmer over an ECM programmer because starting in 2004 Ford detuned the 6.0 to reduce cylinder pressure and therefore warranty claims against head gasket, most of the control for the injectors comes from the FICM, a person like me can reflash the FICM and gain up to 100hp using a stock ECM tune, they recommend Atlas40 for everybody, but EGT gauge for anybody towing a lot using the Atlas80 or higher. Some guys buy ECM programmers ,like the SCT x4, only to be unimpressed when their Looney Tune (yes its a real thing, you can get yours
HERE) doesn't quite make the power they expected because Ford limited the FICM.
I have NO EFI ECM for the Zetec, so a programmer is only a partial solution to a bigger problem. And on this motor the EFI has its own issues that I'll bring up in a moment.
thesameguy":2i7n8yj4 said:
Or chat up diyefi - I am pretty sure they have a Megasquirt kit to plop onto a Zetec.
Megasquirt, carte blanche EFI, since I have neither the time nor inclination to solder up my own kit, I will only be looking at fully assembled units.
Megasquirt 1 DIYAutotune.com $269 with a v2.2
MegaSquirt 1
MegaSquirt 1 (MS1) offers a cost effective entry level to the aftermarket ECU market. Coupled with an EDIS module, the MegaSquirt 1 V2.2 offered excellent value for money mappable spark and fuel. For direct coil control (non-EDIS) the MegaSquirt 1 V3.0 is still a cheap and simple ECU. As expected MegaSquirt 1 lacks many of the features of the newer ECUs. Few OEM wheel patterns are supported, temperature sensor and wideband calibration is more tricky and there are fewer diagnostics. All features require DIY modifications to the circuit board.
Fully assembled.
It is those "features" that require DIY modification to the circuit board that concern me.
Moving on to
MegaSquirt-II EMS System – SMD PCB3.57 Assembled ECU $445
MegaSquirt 2 (MS2) is the second generation of MegaSquirt Engine Management Systems, targeting engines with semi-sequential or batch-fire fuelling and wasted spark ignition. The MegaSquirt 2 shares the same software as the MicroSquirt but most options will require hardware customization. The software is ready to support a wide variety of engines out of the box, with the ability to control anything with one to eight cylinders with batch fire fuel injection and up to four channels of logic ignition. Over 40 different ignition modes are supported, from mainstream applications like the GM LS1, Ford Zetec, Bosch Motronic, and Chrysler Gen III Hemis to unusual modes like Renix Jeeps and the Suzuki Swift GTI.
The MS2 seem to really hit the nail on the head.
They also have the
MegaSquirt-III EMS System with MS3X Expansion V3.57 – Assembled Unit $659 (less without the expansion board)
And
MS3-Pro Standalone ECU with 8′ Wiring Harness $1199
None of these address the high pressure fuel delivery tank to TB(s).
The motor I bought has a nickel sized hole in the plastic intake manifold, and I really don't want to open the hood and see all the Ford factory EFI components.
But if I keep EFI on the motor, there are other NON-stock options.
For example, the MS2 ($445) used with
Ford Zetec E Inlet Manifold for CBR1100 Blackbird Carburettors £166.66 ($241.66 US)
And then pickup off eBay a set of cheap CBR1100 throttle bodies like these...
04-05 Honda CBR 1000RR throttle bodies fuel body injector 1000 RR OEM 2004 2005 $29.99 (free shipping)
I'd be looking at Fuel and spark control with IR EFI for about $700
There are still places that I could save a few more dollars, for example if I made my own manifold, I'd be willing to bet I could get it done (although not as pretty) for under $60 (us)
And since I know nothing about motorcycle EFI, I'd want to do some research to see if the CBR1000RR wiring harness/fuelpump/ECM had the capabilities to be reprogrammed, and if so, how much are they selling for along with the required tools for modifications.
But it would have to be competitive with the Burton offering that I posted earlier
Ford Zetec E 37mm Bike Carburettor Starter Kit Price: £350.00 ($507.50 US)
And I'd also need an ignition controller, the one that comes up the most is the MegaJoltjr
Megajolt/E -- autosportlabs.com roughly $150
Total for carbs and ignition, $657..
With these carbs, I'm sure I could use the stock fuel pump, but I'd have to add a pressure regulator to make sure it stays at an acceptable pressure.
Keep in mind that these are all musing with no real end date, so I am under no pressure to actually buy any of this, I've got 5 driveable cars at my house for 2 drivers..
Ideally I will get this motor onto a 5speed manual transmission. Anything I do in-between is either a stop gap, or just me killing time to see how it works, I'd never hook the zetec up to a stock Ford-O-matic, but I would be interested in seeing what a C4/C3/C5 would do behind it, whatever is in that Bobcat from behind the 2.3L. The transmission is free to me, which reminds me, I may want to snag the rearend and redrill it to 4 on 4.5, it *should* be an 8".
Now that I think about it, there is another '74 Mustang II out back with a 2.3L/manual, the car is blue and has a HUGE tree branch across the top of it. I'd think that should be a 4 speed, and another 8".
And lastly, I went searching on my local Craigslist yesterday and found that within 300 miles of where I am sitting I could pickup a Focus in the correct age range (1999-2004) anywhere from $200-400 in various states of disrepair. But from one of them, I could salvage all the wiring harness, a new intake manifold and ECM... I'm always keeping my eye and options open.
An Escort ZX2, hopefully that was the one with the Zetec 2.0 (170hp) version..
This is the video I made merging onto i29 with a posted speed of 75mph, from a stop.
I held the skinny pedal to the floor going down hill as I merged with traffic.
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