157 tooth C4 swap in place of 164 tooth C5?

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I have a feeling my 163,000 mile "lock-up converter" C5 trans isn't going to last behind my turbo 200 for very long. :wink: :wink: :wink:

I want to swap in a small bell (157 tooth) full-manual C4 with a 3,000 rpm converter I have.


The '82 200 block I have is the "low mount" starter, and I will modify the SB Ford bell with two holes like I saw in a T-5 swap article online.

Is there a direct swap-in neutral-balance 157 tooth flexplate I can use (like from a 250 powered Maverick?) or will I have to re-drill and re-balance a SB ford V8 piece?
 
The bolt circle on the 200 crank is smaller. A 157 tooth crank from a 250 can be redrilled or you can modify one from a small block.

Make sure you get the block plate to match.
 
I was trying to remember..... thanks for clearing that up.

So, anyway I slice it.....I have to custom make something. :cry:
 
Anyone remember what a plain old C4/200 flexplate has for teeth, like say......a 1973 Maverick or something I would find in a junkyard??
(no Mustangs in wrecking yards around here)

Or a 1978 Fairmont?

I suppose nothing with a hi mount starter will work.......
 
IIRC, there were 132 or 136 teeth for the early 200 I6's. They stayed with the same 11.18" diameter item for a long time.

You could use the 1976-1978 Mustang II V8 C4 auto with the 302 Mustang II flexplate, and do Mikes SBF C4 swap. All V8 II's ran the specialist small bell C4 to clear the tiny firewall. In your case, it would give extra room for the exhast. It had an odd ball 148 teeth, 12.2" diameter flexplate, according to the Tech Talk section of my old 88 Hot Rod.

Even the Mustang II 148 teeth needs a redrill to fit. I don't like the concept of redrilling a 157 teeth flexplate to fit the 3.3. There is only six bolts there, and even 2-stage power glides to supercharged 302's can launch the torque converter and flexplate. Gary Mayers, an Australian Burnout Champion and multiple Streetmachine award winner has leg scars form a very nasty flexplate explosion in 1991. HE COULD HAVE LOST HIS LEG. Ok, there are SGI transblankets these days, or scatter sheilds.

There is the risk that the 2.75" pitch centre for the six bolts on the 200 will weaken an ordinary 3" spacing flywheel as used on the 240/250/300 etc. Yes, the 1.375" centre flange is the same, so it should centre ok. If it was just street duty, no worries, but thin 60 thou metal could tear out behind a wild 200. Each bolt hole would need to be elongated 125 thou. In addition, the 200 has only like 3.3" of crank flange to bolt to, while all the Small blocks and bigger 240/250/300's had 3.62" to butt up against.

I think 200-dragstang ran the same later engine block with a scatter shield.

:idea: If your 3.3 came with a standard C5 and 164 teeth felxplate, then just rebuild it. The C5 uses the Ford Truck C4 bellhousing spacing, and if its rebuild to C4 Truck specs, it is a hell for strout transmission. There are 2350rpm factory stall unlocked torque converters used in the early 302 trucks which would be just fine to use.


Last thing. Give us the Ford Basic Part Number for your 164 teeth 3.3 flexplate. I need one for my 1966 200 engine.
 
xtaxi":2i666767 said:
:idea: If your 3.3 came with a standard C5 and 164 teeth felxplate, then just rebuild it. The C5 uses the Ford Truck C4 bellhousing spacing, and if its rebuild to C4 Truck specs, it is a hell for strout transmission. There are 2350rpm factory stall unlocked torque converters used in the early 302 trucks which would be just fine to use.

I do have a "large bell" (pan fill, not case fill) C4 from a 1972 F-100 truck. That would work with my flexplate, but I can't use my converter (hmmm..... unless I re-drill my flexplate to match the smaller convertor?)

I have not had the pleasure of seeing ANY aftermarket converters, or even the "non locking" truck one you mentioned.

xtaxi":2i666767 said:
Last thing. Give us the Ford Basic Part Number for your 164 teeth 3.3 flexplate. I need one for my 1966 200 engine.

I don't have it. If you search "Advance Auto Parts" it may come up with a number.....Use a 1982 Mustang 3.3 with C5 number.

I don't know where to get the Ford Basic number from. Do you want me to get one for you and ship it to NZ ?? (no problem)
 
Early C-4's have 10" diameter, 132 tooth starter gear, 24 spline torque converter. They changed them every few years to different styles.

All of the C-4's I've seen have plain flexplates and the starter ring gears are welded onto the torque converter.

There is lots of tranny shops out there that can change the stall speed of a torque converter. Mines running a 3000 rpm stall converter :D

Doug
 
Mustang_Geezer":14flku5k said:
All of the C-4's I've seen have plain flexplates and the starter ring gears are welded onto the torque converter.

Interesting....I have only seen that on Chrysler products. This Big Bell 200 and all SB Ford V8's weld the ring gear to the flexplate.
 
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