200/250 Motor Mount Revelation (?)

[69Falcon]

Ok, some of you are aware I've been looking at a '69 Fairlane donor for an easy way to drop a 250 into my Falcon, because the Falcon is a shortened version of the Fairlane. Now I'd gotten a set of frame mounts from a '69 Fairlane (which is the same as a Torino) for a 250, they look like they'd bolt right into my Falcon but drop the point where the motor mount connects down and back towards the firewall a bit.

So today I spent my lunch break looking up part numbers on RockAuto.com and I've found that the following vehicles all use the same p/n for 200 & 250 motor mounts:
'70-'72 Maverick
'70-'71 Torino
'69-'70 Falcon (only the 200 is an option)
'69 Mustang (confirmed only for the 200, no data on 250)
'68 Ranchero (confirmed only for the 200, no data on 250)

So it got me to thinking, I'd been searching for the upper brackets and motor mounts which I'd ASSumed are different between the 200 and 250, but maybe that's not the case! Maybe just the different frame brackets are all that's needed to give enough space for the 250's longer water pump snout and account for the increased deck height.

Unfortunately, I've been unable to find a complete soure of part numbers, and even noticed a few discrepancies in RockAuto's numbers, so I can't confirm it one way or the other. Guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and just try to get a 250 in there.

I'd like to hear the forum's thoughts on this.

 

[AzCoupe]

Here's the part numbers and applications for Corteco mounts.

2385
Mustang 79-83 (200ci) Right & Left
Fairmont 78-83 (200ci) Right & Left

2341
Maverick 73-77 (200/250ci) Right & Left

2333
Mustang 67-69 (200ci) Right & Left
Falcon 66-70 (200ci) Right & Left
Falcon 66-69 (170ci) Right & Left
Ranchero 66-68 (200ci) Right & Left
Fairlane 66-68 (200ci) Right & Left
Maverick 70-72 (200/250ci) Right & Left

2225/2226 (right & left - respectively)
Mustang 65-66 (200ci)
Falcon 64-65 (200ci)
Falcon 62-65 (144/170ci)
Ranchero 63-65 (144/170ci)
Fairlane 63-64 (170ci)

 

[gary6768]

have frame mounts from 69 250 mustang in my 67 mustang also have a 69 comet same as fairlane. these frame mounts are different than the 200 also the motor mounts for a 250 are very hard to find and expensive. have seen them up in the $250 range. 250 engines are a little wider and use special frame mounts to keep engine lower. e-mail me gellswo258@aol.com if you want some part #s Gary

 

[69Falcon]

So based on my research, and confirmed by Mike's Corteco parts listing, we're still missing the part number(s) for the following motor mounts:

'69+ Fairlane (250)
'69+ Ranchero (250)

Now I've heard from others that they are super hard to find, and go for big dollars, but I can't even find the right part number. Does anyone have the part number?

 

[CoupeBoy]

New and used '69 Mustang 250 rubber mounts do not exist. I've called every aftermarket parts store in Ft Collins and Fargo, I've called numerous 'Mustang only' wrecking yards, nobody has them, not even part numbers. At one point I hoped harrie (the66mustang) was going to stick with us and he had plans on changing his motor mount style so that it could be lowered 1/2" and set 1/2" wider per side which would have allowed a 250 to be dropped into a 200's home.

For Ford Part numbers pertaining to the mounts (frame/motor), check out this thread.
Fitting the 250

someday I really should try and find a set of '69 200 frame/motor mounts. But from what I recall '69 200 rubber mounts are the same as '68 200 rubber mounts, which are definately different then the '69 250 mounts I have pictured in the link posted above.

-ron

 

[69Falcon]

CoupeBoy, while that info is helpful for Mustang owners, the frame brackets for the '69+ Falcon/Fairlane/Torino/Ranchero are completely different from the '69+ Mustang/Maverick so you can't even compare the two. I've seen the linked post, but those mounts don't look anything like the mounts on my Falcon or the frame brackets I have from the '69 Fairlane. I'll post a pic when I get home tonight of my brackets/mounts.

What has caught my eye is that the later years use the same part number for the motor mounts for both the 200 and the 250. (See the later Torino and Maverick p/n in both mine and Mike's earlier posts.) If I can get the p/n for the '69 Fairlane/Ranchero with a 250 then I think I'll have my answer.

 

[CoupeBoy]

I know the Torinos/falcons/fairlanes are different, I was providing 'information' in regards to your first post.

'69 Mustang (confirmed only for the 200, no data on 250)

Do you know how long Ford used that 'frame' platform?
I have some of that info.
250 Torino 1969-1974
250 Fairlane 1969-1970
250 Falcon 1970 (only)
250 Ranchero 1970-1973

What about the:
250 Mustang 1971-1973
250 Montego 1969-1974
Are they on the same platform? I'm just trying to compile some possible sources of information about the platform you are dealing with and give potential sources of parts.

I'd be willing to bet that the '69+ cars are longer under the hood for the specific goal of being able to put in either the shorter (length and height) 200 or the larger 250 with the only change required being a different fan shroud.

I should post pics and measurements of the Oz 250 mounts that addo sent me last summer. They look like they could bolt up to bent8 frame mounts (but they wont fit on '68 Mustang bent8 brackets). I should also stop by a parts store and see if anybody in town has a rubber motor mount for an early 70's fairlane/torino/falcon with straight six.

-ron

 

[gary6768]

they fit 3 cars C9oA 6038-c C9OZ 6038 A and for mustang C9ZA 6038-A the originals have all three part numbers on them. last new set i saw was $250 part numbers for the 69 Mustang Frame mounts are C9ZA 6061 B C9ZA 6037 B gellswo258@aol.com Gary

 

[69Falcon]

Guys, sorry if you took my reply the wrong way, didn't mean to offend. I appreciate any and all help with this. I feel like I'm trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together while blindfolded and missing pieces.

I think the frame/engine bay themselves on the fairlane/torino/ranchero platform changed in '72, as the V8s now have different left/right part numbers for the motor mounts; I'm ASSuming that means the I6 mounts would also be different starting with that year for that platform. I'm also fairly certain that with the redesign of the Mustang for '69, that their mounts completely diverged from the other platforms.

Here's what I'm working with so far:

Frame mounts from a '69 Fairlane 250

Driver side frame mount from my '69 Falcon 200

Driver side upper mount from my '69 Falcon 200

Holding the '69 Fairlane 250 frame mount up to my Falcon

Motor mount for my '69 Falcon 200 from RockAuto

Gary was kind enough to send me this pic of '69 Comet with a 250's driver side assembly.

Note that the frame mount looks just like the '69 Fairlane 250. Now in this picture, it appears that the motor mount is connected to the frame bracket by a bolt passing through the sides of the hump on the frame bracket. But if you go back to my picture of the Fairlane's frame bracket there's a hole that might be able to have the Corteco p/n 2333 bolt to. Maybe I'll bite the bullet and order a set just to find out.

Now in Gary's pic, you also see that it uses 3 bolts on the upper bracket, but my 200 only uses 2. Does anyone know if the pair of holes are located in the same position on the 200 and 250 blocks? If so then I might be able to use the upper mounts from my 200 on the 250.

 

[CoupeBoy]

The motor mounts in the pic from Gary look just like the Oz ones that addo sent me. From what I have observed on my '68 200 block and the '74/75 250 block that I have is that the 200's all use 2 horizontal bolts and the 250 block has the third (rear most) bolt. My 200 block does have a pad were it could be drilled for the third bolt but I don't think that is necessary. And I don't see any reason why you couldn't use the 2 bolt style motor mounts on the 250, I think there are several people already on this board that are doing that.

Something that strikes me as interesting is that the bent8 mounts have had the through bolt in the motor mount for ever, I wonder if they changed the rubber mount for i6's in the later years to cut down on having to make i6 only frame mounts? When I get home I'll get some pics of the Oz mounts then measure the space between the bolt ears. If they are same width as the frame mount in your picture on my next trip to Dad's house, I'll take along my Oz mounts, and see how well they fit onto the bent8 frame mounts in the 'parts' '73 Grand Torino, that used to have a 302.

-ron

 

[jahearne]

Chuck,

Those two holes on the 250 line up with the same ones on the 200. If you use the stock 200 motor mounts the 250 will be way too high in the engine compartment. I am looking for those same exact 250 frame brackets that you have. Anybody have an extra set?

Too make my 250 fit into '66 Ranchero, I lined up the bottom hole on the 200 motormount bracket with the top hole on the 250 engine then drilled a hole in the bracket to line up with the bottom hole on the engine.

I'll take some pictures and post them as soon as possible.

 

[69Falcon]

I am looking for those same exact 250 frame brackets that you have. Anybody have an extra set?

Well, after some financial planning and choosing some realistic goals, I'm going to forego my quest for a 250 in my Falcon and stick with the 200. This will enable funding for the T5 swap. Which means that I'm willing to part with my 250 frame brackets if you're still interested. (I paid Jim Steele $40 for them, including shipping.) If you're not interested, I'll post em in the "For Sale" section.

 

[jahearne]

I'm interested. $40 + shipping sounds good.

Cool, I can fix this work around for mounting the 250.

It works. Just barely an inch off the crossmember. Thanks for offering the frame mounts! Now I can do it right. How would like payment? You can send me an email or PM if you'd like.

Thanks,

 

[jahearne]

By the way for your T5, all you need is a tranny crossmember from a C6 or 4-speed. I'm not sure it has to come from a big block car or not. I used one I salvaged from a 66 Cyclone that had a 390 BB and C6 that I stripped out of a junkyard. I also installed a 4-speed toploader that used the same crossmember. My 3-speed tranny mount and speedometer cable fit perfectly using that crossmember.
And that black tubing you see across that picture posted above is a cable kit from Ron Morris.

 

[CoupeBoy]

John,
Your (rubber) motor mounts are interesting. What were they originally orderd for? year/make/model/motor? All of the 200 motor mounts that I have seen look like your except 'shorter' by that I mean they normally are only as tall as the 'top' bolt that you are using, and FWIW most people oval the two holes because there is not space for a second set of holes.

thanks,
-ron

 

[jahearne]

The motor mounts are for 1966 Ford Ranchero 200 cu in motor with 2.07 3-speed. I think Comet, Falcon, Ranchero and Fairlane from 66 to 71 are the same. The top hole (not used) and middle hole are the original holes for the 200. The middle used to be the original bottom hole. All I did was drill the bottom hole and it worked out fine. Didn't modify another holes. Even the transmission mount ended up a good location that did not require any drilling.