200ci '66 Bronco: Installing a Weber 32/36 carb - linkage strategy

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

I want to install a Weber 32/36 on my 1966 Bronco. Anyone put a Weber in their Early Bronco I6? If so, what did you do about gas pedal linkage? Currently I use a throttle cable to a single barrel 1904. And the videos I find online show Mustangs with a solid rod from the gas pedal assembly to the Weber's linkage (with some mods). Any help is appreciated. thx

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

To sort of answer my own question...



But I don't know where the Classic Inlines Tech Article got the photo -- and especially "where'd they get that red bracket holding the end of the braided cable housing?

 

[DON]

I don’t know what a bronco has for pedal linkage, but my mustang has an arm that comes up behind the engine. I took a piece of threaded rod to fit the ball joint that attaches to the carb, did the same thing on the linkage end. Easy to cut to length. The used a nut with an attached washer, drilled a hole thru the washer for a return spring, attach the other end of the spring to the carb. The spring adjustment is just done by turning the nut up or down the threaded rod. Really simple if you have the arm on the fire wall

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

That's a good solution Don. Mustangs make the adaptation easy. I wish the Bronco had that set up. But I think the pedals sit up too high. The pedal cable comes through way up there.

The '66 Bronco has a throttle cable out the firewall and it curves over to behind the carb. But the 32/36 throttle link is to the FRONT of the carb. But I think found a possible solution on the Fordsix Tech Articles... under 2V carbs the Tech Article cites Lokar Performance Products http://www.lokar.com/
And they have a bunch of throttle cable applications. I didn't see anything specific to Ford I6 32/36 - and even more difficult to find - a '66 Bronco throttle cable application retrofitted to a Weber 32/36. It's going to take some creativity.

 

[DON]

That's a good solution Don. Mustangs make the adaptation easy. I wish the Bronco hard a that set up. But I think the pedals sit up too high. The pedal cable comes through way up there.

The '66 Bronco has a throttle cable out the firewall and it curves over to behind the carb. But the 32/36 throttle link is to the FRONT of the carb. But I think found a possible solution on the Fordsix Tech Articles... under 2V carbs the Tech Article cites Lokar Performance Products http://www.lokar.com/
And they have a bunch of throttle cable applications. I didn't see anything specific to Ford I6 32/36 - and even more difficult to find - a '66 Bronco throttle cable application retrofitted to a Weber 32/36. It's going to take some creativity.

I have been thinking about linkage for a Holley 2300 for mine. With the two barrel conversion, the carb is going to sit sideways in the car, so my linkage has to make a 90 * turn. I have found some options, not sold on any yet. Are you looking for the cable mount or how to attach the cable to the carb linkage? Photos help too

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

Don - I guess I could say the 32/36 sits sideways as well. It must make a 90 degree turn (long arc). The old photo (above) in the Classic Inlines tech article is about as good as it gets for photos. I don't have a photo of the set up yet because my Bronco still has the beat up old 170 engine with the a cheap Argentina 1904 single barrel carb. I cannot install - mock up - the Weber on the old engine yet because I don't have the right spacer adaptor plate. I have ordered the Weber carb adaptor from Vintage Inlines (along with both 1/2" and 1/4" insulators).

For your Mustang pedal rod config, running parallel to the I6 on the passenger side, I can't imagine how you will turn the corner 90 degrees. But that LOKAR store seems to have a bunch of brackets and linkage. Something has to work.

 

[Kritas]

On my Mustang, I ditched the stock linkage and used a Lokar cable and changed the gas pedal to a later '69 unit.

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I used this spring return kit and the bracket that came with the Weber carb.

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[Dr_Dan_WWW]

Ah! I was so wrong. I had the Weber another 90 degrees counterclockwise from your photo. Thanks for the photo Kristas. If I see the photo correctly, it appears to me that the "start" of the Lokar cable is seeable at the firewall - correct? - and ends at the carb?

Thanks for the help.

 

[DON]

I have come across a few things that might turn the corner. I would like to keep mechanical as much as possible maybe just cable to turn the corner . Maybe these will give you ideas?

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

Yes, those may be more than ideas - more like solutions. Thanks. Get a load of that one for $150. My precious.

 

[Kritas]

Ah! I was so wrong. I had the Weber another 90 degrees counterclockwise from your photo. Thanks for the photo Kristas. If I see the photo correctly, it appears to me that the "start" of the Lokar cable is seeable at the firewall - correct? - and ends at the carb?

Thanks for the help.

The cable is attached to the gas pedal and passes through the firewall to connect to the cable bracket and the carburetor. The cable has a fitting to secure it to the firewall.

 

[bmbm40]

I believe Mavericks and Granadas late 70s to early 80s had cable operated carbs. Maybe you could adapt one if it can be found.

 

[B RON CO]

Hi, I used a Lokar cable on my 66 Bronco with the Holley 2 barrel, sitting just like your picture. The cable attached right to the firewall and the gas pedal. I don't remember where I got the carb end of the linkage, either Holley or Locar, but I had to modify it so it wouldn't twist when I stepped on the gas. Not a big problem, and it has been working for years, Good luck

 

[powerband]

on the '63 170 , a little forming (bending) of original 1100' carb linkage fit right on the 32/36 on the 2Bbl adapter
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...been running excellent like this over 10 years
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'61 uses an 'over the valve cover' bracket, cable and floor pedal from Maverick.
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Maverick pedal,cable and bracket makes a 'universal' throttle making carb swaps-tests simpler. .aftermarket heavier duty cables (Likar/Mr Gskt ec) can be used with pedal and bracket also.
a few ideas ...
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have fun

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

powerband, I didn't know you ran a set up like that. That's something.
Everyone's creativity is inspiring. Looks like I just need figure it out. But I will most likely buy the Lokar cable and the Amazon return spring bracket and set up.

Using some wood and the original '83 1V plate, I mocked up the 2V to 1V Vintage Inline adaptor for the Weber. That way I can get to work on the linkage while I wait on Matt Cox to send me the adaptor.

You guys have a been a really big help. I would never had the guts to tackle an engine swap and rebuild if it wasn't for fordsix and especially Bubba22349.

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

Hi, I used a Lokar cable on my 66 Bronco with the Holley 2 barrel, sitting just like your picture. The cable attached right to the firewall and the gas pedal. I don't remember where I got the carb end of the linkage, either Holley or Locar, but I had to modify it so it wouldn't twist when I stepped on the gas. Not a big problem, and it has been working for years, Good luck

B RON CO if you get a moment will you post a photo of your linkage set up. Question: is yours a 2V conversion?

 

[bmbm40]

Not trying to change your mind about the Weber as I know nothing about them other than they are highly regarded. I have seen a few six owners going with the Carter BBD and the Rochester, both 2v and available in a small base version that can be mounted on the existing carb riser by hogging out the intake and making a carb base plate, don't know every last detail. So don't have to get the expensive machining done like for the 2100 2V conversion like I had planned for my spare 250 for my Bronco. The Carter is available on ebay china made and maybe the Rochester also. I just wonder if they might attach to your existing throttle cable. When I put the 250 in my 66 it had a Carter RBS? carb and I was able to easily adapt my throttle cable that was previously attached to the old Autolite carb. It was just a minor thing as I recall.

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

You know this has become interesting. Apparently, you don't really have to find a brazing foundry for hogging out the log if you have a later model, like I have - 1983 large log. It's too late now. My valve job is done. My short block is done. And both are joined. This all said, Bubba and me went round and round on this. I couldn't find a foundry. And I didn't want to pay to have it shipped there and back to some where out of town. So I settled on the 2v to 1v set up. The Falcon book definitely endorsed the Weber 32/36. Of course they like all the others too. It's just the builder's choice.
For linkage I have ordered the Lokar with the Amazon bracket like Kristas did (above). I ordered after I mocked up Vintage Inlines Weber adaptor plate, which I have ordered as well. I think it will work. I have done my measurements on my existing 170 sitting in my 66 Bronco. I get what everyone is saying.
BUT - I have another head! A C9DE and it is larger log (not the largest like the one I worked on). The C9DE is my extra in case something goes really wrong (it won't I think). But now I dream of hogging out the second head. And seeing what happens. Of course this all takes a pile of money. So I am not too thrilled to spend a lot at this point. The Falcon book was right: you better open up the wallet if you really want to rebuild a mild performance engine, all the way down to the mains and caps... new timing chain, comp cam, 3 angle valve job, porting (did my self). As my son kids me "yeah all for 15 more horsepower!" I hope I get more than that. Mostly all I really want to do is have the Bronco be able to go up hill on the highway at a respectable 65mph (instead of 40-45mph now).

 

[bmbm40]

Well you have surely put in a lot of thought into this and have a good plan I think. The extra 15 hp (probably more) you get may allow going uphill at 65, a major improvement in the driving experience. My 66 with stock 200 had the same problem going uphill! And having a spare head is intelligent long term planning. I have a whole entire spare 250 sitting in my garage in case I somehow mangle beyond repair the 250 in the Bronco now. Looking forward to feedback on driving improvements when you get it on the road.

 

[Dr_Dan_WWW]

Just curious bmbm40, so you have a 250 in your early Bronco. Was there hood clearance?