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Cranked on the car today. 1st time . Gas is running out the top of the carb like someone turned on a faucet. Anyone have any clues. I'm thinking it may be a stuck float or something from sitting so long. So how hard are these Webers to rebuild. Also seems like the secondary barrel may be stuck closed. Fuel is puddling up in it and is not draining down into the motor. Does this sound common from carbys that have sat for a year? Any suggestions are welcome and encouoraged.
Dave
 
there pretty basic to work on,you will have to clean the whole carb,use a compressor to clean it.
 
Yea, I was getting ready to say never mind. I took the top of it and it was of course full of junk. Pretty basic carb as you mentioned. I went and bought some ChemDip and getting ready to take it a part and soak. Of course the parts house didn't have a kit for it. Couldn't even find it in the book. I ordered a kit from a different model carb off of a toyaota or something. I'm thinking most of the gaskets and diaphrams will work. Kind of pumped though. Even with the carb fouling up, the motor still sprang to life. I just have to plumb the radiator and fill the tranny up with fluid and I'll be ready to give her a spin around the block. That is of course after the carby bath and reasembly. Any one know of any performance tricks for these? How about increasing the travel on the accelerator pump? Drilling any holes? One more, Anyone convert the secondary to mechanical. I'm thinking I saw some mechanical Webers on Ebay. I guess they make a kit for this? Oh well, Welcome to any carb tricks and gamey to try them. Later,
Dave
 
Although the Weber ADM 34 is specific to the Falcon, there are heaps of parts around. NO off the shelf bits in the US for it unless you are Italian American and have friends at Fiat!.

It is very easy to get parts from Nardek in Australia at http://www.nardek.com.au/Weber.htm

Everything is stocked, as it has been on sale for over 10 years on Falcon utes from 1982 to 1993.

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It uses lots of bits common to other Chryslers (Aussie Centura 2.0 liter has the Weber 34 ADAS carb

Most 1976 onwards Fiat 124
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have the 32 or 34 ADF, or 34 ADFA version.In the US, you can get a full conversion for Weber 34 ADF to 1975-80 Fiat 124 Spider. #3231, about US $545.00.

Speco http://www.speco.com.au/accair.html in Australia make a cheap air cleaner, # 351643 Weber ADM/ADF.

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Redline at http://www.racetep.com/ramflolynx.html do a 600 Seires #RF6 filter for Fiat 124'S with Weber 32 ADF, barely 2 inches tall.

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It will fit the 34 ADM.

If you want the best filter around, it is the # 56-9032

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See http://www.filterpower.co.uk/kn_bolton/fiat.htm



Tricks for the ADM 34 are simple.

The casting has only a small amout of meat in it, since it was designed as a small Chrylser carb. It has tiny 29 mm chokes. What you can do is remove the boosters before having it fly cut out to 30.5 mm, and that will boost its CFM from 320 cfm at 3"Hg to 354 cfm. Thats only 60 thou of bore out. If you break through the casting, just add some JB weld and smooth back out.

The power peak with an ADM 34 is normally about 165 hp tops, but with an extra 10% airflow, you can get up to 180 hp plus without any major work.


There is no benefit from making it a simultanoues carb.The carb is a dedicated set-up with is not ameniable to such a change. If you do that, you should be using a 350 or 500 CFM 2300 series Holley 2-bbl.


The very best thing about the carb is it is so economical and has great jetting and a superb emissions package. The return line, the modern cable, the provision for a proper AOD style kickdown cable, the idle stop solinoid, the electric choke...everything is well sorted out. Ford Australia did a lovelyjob with this carb, and locally imported Fiats with this carb were very economical cars

If you start fooling around with it, make sure it is dyno tuned or you at least buy a proper oxygen sensor and make sure it is tuned right. Webers have a vast array of adjustments, more than Holley carbs, and its easy to get a little muddled.
 
Well, I am dumb-founded. I took the carb apart last night. The secondary was stuck in the closed position and it took quite a bit of work to free it up. Not having a kit I carefully removed all of the diaphrams and set them aside. I soaked the top, the middle section and the base. It cleaned up pretty well. I put it all back together, fired it up and $%#@##(dang), Fuel is being pumped out the top of the carb. and just running out everywhere. The check valve under the float looks to be in good nick. Just don't know what to do at this point. Why is fuel flowing out the top of the carb? Any thoughts? Again I didn't touch any of the diaphrams. Just checked them to make sure there were no rips or holes in them. On the check valve, I didn't really do anything, just made sure it opened and closed and that the ball was clean. What should I look for?...New carby?
Dave
 
Only thing I can think of, is you're putting fuel in through the breather to charcoal canister outlet. Doesn't seem likely, though.

Still, I suspect it's something pretty basic. Maybe experiment to see if the needle and seat can be closed ny manual operation of the float?

Regards, Adam.
 
Thanks Adam, I went through that thing last night, or I should say yesterday, all day with about a 1000 interuptions. Built it like I was going to race it. You know, soaked it, sprayed every possible hole with Berryman's, made sure every thing was just perfect. Keep in mind now that there are no over the counter kits here, so I had to carefully remove and rework every diaphram. I did find a new needle and seat for the float that fit. Didn't have any measurements for the float, but you can usually eyeball that. I did find one thing. Two actually. One of the diaphrams, right in front of the float bowl, that didn't have any action to it. It was like the spring had pushed it in and it wasn't releasing. It was staying in the pushed in position. I can tell that massaging the carb really did help. The engine ran so smooth when it fired up. That was right before the gas started flowing out the top again. Had to shut her down. The other thing I found was the electric chock diaphram has a small rip in it. Man, I am so close. I want to drive this car in a bad way. I think I'm going mad. I took the carb off the car again this morning about 6:00am. I have several miles to drive this morning. I'm hoping to find s place to help me mix and match all the diaphrams I'm needing. Ordering a carby kit today from Oz but I don't think I can stand the wait. Again I am so close. It's something simple I know. Anyway, thanks for the thoughts, I keep you posted on how it goes. We'll get her there. Later...Dave
 
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