Ignition resistor wire

Okay here is the deal.

The ballast resistor does two things. First, it limits the current drawn by the coil. I'm not going to explain how electricity works (wikipedia.org) here, but that is what it does. It keeps the coil from overheating.

In the process, it also drops the avaliable voltage at the coil. In the case of these systems, from ~ 12v to ~6v.

The reason for this is to enhace point life. The lower voltage arcing across the points means they last longer.

The coil used w/ a ballast resistor has a lower impedance than a 12v coil. (1.5 vs 3 ohm) This means that it pulls more current than then 12v coil (to make up for the lost voltage, so power remains constant, P=IV)

So, when you upgrade to an electronic ignition:

1.) You don't have points, so you don't need to worry about point life.

2.) The GM module WILL NOT FUNCTION under ~9volts. What this means is that, if you use the power for your coil as the power for the module (which is convinient, cause its close) at low RPM when the alternator isn't kicking 14+ v, then ignition module will shut off. Your car will die. If you use the stock coil with it's lower impedance, it will never work because the voltage will never exceed 9v.

3.) If you use a 12v coil w/ the ballast resistor, you will be getting less spark energy than you think you are.

So, if you wanted to for some reason use the ballast resistor, the appropriate procedure would be to supply seperate power (12v) for the module, and the use an original 1.5 ohm coil.

Or, you could remove the ballast resistor, power the module off of the same power feed as the coil, and use a new 12v 3 ohm coil. (or your old 1.5 ohm coil, but it will probably overheat from the increased power dissipation)

I don't know if the duraspark or chrylser modules will work below 9v.

But the underlying point is that without points, there is no reason to use the ballast resistor. Yes, one can make it work - but it makes the system more complicated and takes more work than just taking it out.

Once you upgrade to electronic ignition the ballast resistor is merely a solution looking for a problem.

In general, mismatched parts will be a problem. No Ballast resistor w/ stock coil will lead to a dead coil. Ballast resistor w/ GM module will lead to weird stalling problems and hard starting.
 
Well thanks fellers, and Ian I appreciate the explanation with the ohm rating on coils vs. voltage required. Now I need to remember what oil-filled Accel coil I put on there, 1.5 ohm or 3 ohm.

Kirk
 
Bort62, Great explanation! Question: Presently I have a Petronix system with a 1.5 coil. In the future I plan on changing from the Petronix to a Duraspark & module. The reason I went with a 1.5ohm coil last year was that I planned on leaving the resistence wire intact. A couple of weeks ago I went ahead, after reading some discussions, and bypassed the resistence wire with a new wire to the coil. Here is the question: when I change over to a Duraspark in the future, will I need to go back to a 3.0ohm coil since I no longer have a resistence wire, or will the 1.5ohm coil be sufficient?? Thanks, Jim
 
Yes, that was a 2.2L turbo VW with an MSD box that was cross jumping the dizzy cap terminals. With a new cap you should be ok. My cap had carbon tracing that aided in the cross-fire.
 
Tomorros the big day. I WILL bypass the pink wire. You are absolutely correct about the points needing less voltage. I am certain the coil I have is intended for 12v and, well, if it ain't and it burns up (which it won't) I'll return it for another one just like it! :)

One day I'll be done with this project, but I'm afraid my brain will be full.

Harry
 
james singleton":3dh6nwdq said:
Bort62, Great explanation! Question: Presently I have a Petronix system with a 1.5 coil. In the future I plan on changing from the Petronix to a Duraspark & module. The reason I went with a 1.5ohm coil last year was that I planned on leaving the resistence wire intact. A couple of weeks ago I went ahead, after reading some discussions, and bypassed the resistence wire with a new wire to the coil. Here is the question: when I change over to a Duraspark in the future, will I need to go back to a 3.0ohm coil since I no longer have a resistence wire, or will the 1.5ohm coil be sufficient?? Thanks, Jim

James,

Your 1.5 ohm coil running a direct 12v is now dissipating 96 watts as heat as opposed to the 48 it was designed for. It will probably eventually explode or fail leaving you stranded. The reason that I figured all of this out is because I had it happen to me.

Without the resistance wire, I suggest a 3.0 ohm coil for reliability reasons.

12/3 = 4 amps * 12 volts = 48 Watts.
12/1.5 = 8 amps * 12 volts = 96 Watts.
 
60s Refugee":ruifbyir said:
Bort62,
Is there any wat to tell how many ohms a coil is rated at by looking at it?
Harry

If you happen to be looking at it with a multimeter in your hand, then yes ;)
 
My brother had a VW sandrail and forgot to turn the ignition switch off. The the next morning there was a big wad of tangled wires sticking out of the coil. Don't have any idea what resistance the coil was.
 
From another thread:

You know that voice that sometimes pops inot your head that tells you to do something? I ignored it last week.

I installed the DSII into a 66 Mustang about 2 months ago and it works great. But what about the coil? I have removed the pink resistor wire from picture and am supplying that original coil with 12V. The thought is there, what should I do. I've got towing insurance and am never more then 10 miles from home, so I leave it. This past weekend was a three dayer for me, and I had planned on replacing it with a better coil. But family commitments and other things came up (I hate Chuck-E-Cheese) so I put it off.

Driving into work today, the car dies as I come through an intersection. I get it started. Dies a few minutes later as I wait for my turn with the gate attendant. Push it into a nearby parking lot and have it towed home. Coil cools off and fires right up.
 
Just one more observation on voltage. When I first hooked up my DS II with GM Module, I ran a wire from the battery post of the solenoid, with a shut-off, leaving the resistor in place. It would start, but it would run very rough or die whenever the direct 12 V was shut off. I'm convinced. I have since bypassed the resistor. :wink:
 
frogmn666":2fzblc7q said:
My brother had a VW sandrail and forgot to turn the ignition switch off. The the next morning there was a big wad of tangled wires sticking out of the coil. Don't have any idea what resistance the coil was.

Points can do that. If the distributor stops in the closed position, current will continually flow through the circuit, dissipating heat in the coil. (remember, when the car is running, the coil is constantly switching on then off)

They can't handle the 100% duty cycle - and pop.

One of the many benifits of electronic ignition.
 
BIGREDRASA":1tz6sxki said:
Just one more observation on voltage. When I first hooked up my DS II with GM Module, I ran a wire from the battery post of the solenoid, with a shut-off, leaving the resistor in place. It would start, but it would run very rough or die whenever the direct 12 V was shut off. I'm convinced. I have since bypassed the resistor. :wink:

Yup.

I took a gm module and threw it at the mercy of a fairly sophisticated electronics test bench at my last job, and as supply voltage starts to approach 9v, it starts to do all sorts of weird shit.
 
Question: Brand: ACCELAuto
I have converted over from points to duraspark ignition, should I run 12volts to the coil or keep the resistor wire inline to the coil? Is the #8140 coil a 3.0 ohm or 1.5 ohm? Thank you. Kirk Jorden

Vehicle/Engine Specs:
Make: Ford Model: Bronco Year: 1973
Engine Type: 200 Transmission: np435
Modifications: DSII w/ Ford module and superstock coil 8140
Discussion Topics:

Solution:
run 12 volts and the 8140 is 1.4 Ohms primary

This is what I got from the Accel Tech web-site.

Enjoy,

Kirk
 
Kirk,

If they recommend 12v on their 1.4 ohm coil it probably means their coil has been designed for the increased heat dissipation.

Aftermarket HV coil's have to get that extra energy from somewhere - and since voltage isn't going over 12v, they have to increase amperage by lowering the impedance.

Makes perfect sense, and a good data point for using that coil.
 
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