New carb needed, what else?

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Hi folks, hope you can help a newbie here.

I've got a '66 Mustang with the 200 six, and 3-speed auto. It's completely stock at the moment, but the carb is basically worn out. I'm thinking of upgrading some things to get a bit more performance and better gas mileage.

Currently I'm looking at getting a Weber 38 carb (kit from Clifford), and some Clifford headers, and getting the ignition/distributor upgraded to something like Pertronix. A few questions about this:

How much better is the twin exhaust setup than the single?
How much would you expect this job to cost (I wouldn't know where to start doing it myself)?
Any recommendations for this job in the San Diego (CA) area?

Thanks for any help.....

Boggis
 
Start with the ignition first.

The ignition and carb upgrade should run much more then $300 total if you look around for parts.

The exhaust is when it starts to get expensive.

Slade
 
try getting the webber carb from stovebolt for $65 and then get the adapter from clifford. a lot cheeper.
 
i would recamend the duraspark 2 setup over the pertronix just because it upgrades the hole system and has alot more potential (a.k.a. the MSD 6a) very good plus it only cost about $20-$40 more than pertronix (that doesnt count the MSD) you can just get the original box for a few bucks before you upgrade to the MSD
 
I`d go with 2 1/2 single exhaust keeps the cost down and gives better lo end torque
 
Howdy Boggis:

Welcome to the Forum. I hope we can help, but 1st a couple of questions. Is your Mustang an original California car. If it is it will have two very different and noticeable features. It will have a 1.10" venturi rather than the 1.20" venturi of non-calif emissions engines. And it will not have a spark control valve to modify the vacuum signal to the distributor. 1st thing you need to do is to figure out what you're working with and how to make it work well. second thing is to devise a plan that includes a realistic budget. Do you want to do one day projects? or weekend projects? or major projects?

If this is a Calif emissions car, you can make a significant increase in performance by upgrading to an 1100 with a 1.20" venturi- about a 35 cfrm increase.

And it is extremely unlikely that your Autolite 1100 carb is worn out. It is more likely that it needs a good rebuild and that's true for the distributor too.

Again, depending on what you have, you may want to rebuild and add a Petronix Ignitor. It is a conversion to an electronic system that eliminates the points. You '66 distributor will likely be a vacuum advance only type distributor, which means that there is no centrifugal or mechanical advance system built into it. A better choice is a distributor from a '68-'70 point type distributor which will have both centrifugal and vacuum advance, but still has points to deal with. A best choice is to convert to a '76 or later DuraSpark II electronic system. This package includes a high energy electronic distributor, heavier wires, hotter coil, and a module that mounts to the inner fender. It also includes both vacuum and centrifugal advance.

Investing in a good 2" performance exhaust system is a good foundation for whatever else you might want to do in the future. A good Walker Dyno Max turbo muffler and 2" pipes installed may set you back as much as $200, depending on your connections and dicker skills. "Sandy Ego" should offer you plenty of choices.

Tell us a little more about your car, your plan and your budget and we can be more specific in giving you ideas.

Adios, David
 
CZLN6":2lahndkh said:
Welcome to the Forum. I hope we can help, but 1st a couple of questions. Is your Mustang an original California car. If it is it will have two very different and noticeable features. It will have a 1.10" venturi rather than the 1.20" venturi of non-calif emissions engines. And it will not have a spark control valve to modify the vacuum signal to the distributor. 1st thing you need to do is to figure out what you're working with and how to make it work well.

It was built in San Jose, CA, from what the VIN tells me, but I'm not sure about the rest! Is there anything external on the carb that will identify which size venturi it has? What am I looking for on the distributor?

second thing is to devise a plan that includes a realistic budget. Do you want to do one day projects? or weekend projects? or major projects?

The Mustang is my only vehicle, so it needs to be things that can be done in a day or two - and I have no tools or expertise to perform the jobs myself.

If this is a Calif emissions car, you can make a significant increase in performance by upgrading to an 1100 with a 1.20" venturi- about a 35 cfrm increase.
And it is extremely unlikely that your Autolite 1100 carb is worn out. It is more likely that it needs a good rebuild and that's true for the distributor too.

OK, but how difficult is this to do? I have absolutely no experience with carbs and wouldn't want to be stranded without a working car!

Again, depending on what you have, you may want to rebuild and add a Petronix Ignitor. It is a conversion to an electronic system that eliminates the points. You '66 distributor will likely be a vacuum advance only type distributor, which means that there is no centrifugal or mechanical advance system built into it. A better choice is a distributor from a '68-'70 point type distributor which will have both centrifugal and vacuum advance, but still has points to deal with. A best choice is to convert to a '76 or later DuraSpark II electronic system. This package includes a high energy electronic distributor, heavier wires, hotter coil, and a module that mounts to the inner fender. It also includes both vacuum and centrifugal advance.

Yep, I'd come across the Duraspark II system on the web. Is it better/worse than the Pertronix, or do they do the same thing?

Investing in a good 2" performance exhaust system is a good foundation for whatever else you might want to do in the future. A good Walker Dyno Max turbo muffler and 2" pipes installed may set you back as much as $200, depending on your connections and dicker skills. "Sandy Ego" should offer you plenty of choices.
:) I'll look into exhaust stuff, probably once I've decided about whether I want to get Clifford headers, and have decided about 1 or 2 pipes.

Tell us a little more about your car, your plan and your budget and we can be more specific in giving you ideas.

Thanks for all the useful advice so far David.

My plan is mostly to have a bit more poke and a bit more economy (I know the two don't really go together!), but also to not have to worry about adjusting/fiddling with the car on a regular basis. It is my daily driver, so I need it to be reliable.

At the moment the (presumably) carb problems mean that occasionally the engine will die when I come to a halt, and won't idle properly. Recently (this week) it's also been having a different problem: on very low throttle and somewhere near full throttle it's been OK, but in between, at normal sort of accelleration levels for everyday driving, it's jerking and pulsing as if it's not getting enough fuel intermittently. Perhaps the most annoying thing about all of it is that these problems are only occasional - for a few days it'll be fine, then suddenly it will die. And you can guarantee that if I took it to a mechanic, that would be the day that everything was working fine! :evil:

Thanks again for any advice.

Toby
 
welcome

I have no advice. i leave that to the experts here. I will be sarcastic from time to time tho
 
boggissimo":30335g3q said:
addo":30335g3q said:
chazthephoenix":30335g3q said:
I will be sarcastic from time to time tho
Aren't we all? :wink: As long as b'mo doesn't take it personally...

I do, and I hate you all. Thanks for nothing.




Er, obviously that was sarcasm.......I don't think I needed to explain that really. Talk about spoiling your own jokes!
 
Howdy back Toby:

Sorry, I don't do sarcasm.

If you have the original Autolite 1100 it should still have an ID tag attached to the top of the fuel bowl. It should read C6OF-G. If it does, you are in luck. It is the only C/E 1100 with the larger 1.2" venturi. Externally all Autolite 1100s at identical. Only way to tell is to disassemble and measure.

Your intermittant miss could be a number of things. 1st check thoroughly for any vacuum leak. Listen carefully for the tell-tale hiss of cracked vacuum hoses, or leaking gaskets.

Next get a good aerosol carb cleaner and spray it as directed to thoroughly clean the carb inside and out. Also buy a can of Gumot or techron, or other gas system cleaner. It goes in your tank and will take a while to really clean things up.

How long has it been since this carb has been rebuilt?

That's the easy stuff. If that doesn't solve it, check the distributor to make sure that it is functioning properly. No shorting plug wires or errant vacuum diaphram. If that's all in order and working properly-

Next, I would suspect the fuel pump. The simple test is to replace the fuel pump and that might be the 1st thing to do, but it could be that the eccentric that drives the fuel pump is getting flat- in which case an new pump may or may not help. In any case I'd try the above solutions first- KIS right?

As far as the distributor, the Petronix II has some adantages in latest and most modern technology, but is a little pricey, and would require a '68 or later distributor body to gain centrifugal advance.

All in all the DuraSpark II system from '76 and later is hard to beat for price and simplicity. You can gap your plugs to at least .045", increase the intitial advance to about 12-14 degrees, and enjoy quicker starting, a better idle and increase performance.

Did I miss anything?

Adios, David
 
CZLN6":17qkjj8c said:
If you have the original Autolite 1100 it should still have an ID tag attached to the top of the fuel bowl. It should read C6OF-G. If it does, you are in luck. It is the only C/E 1100 with the larger 1.2" venturi. Externally all Autolite 1100s at identical. Only way to tell is to disassemble and measure.

OK, I'll check that out asap.

Your intermittant miss could be a number of things. 1st check thoroughly for any vacuum leak. Listen carefully for the tell-tale hiss of cracked vacuum hoses, or leaking gaskets.

Next get a good aerosol carb cleaner and spray it as directed to thoroughly clean the carb inside and out. Also buy a can of Gumot or techron, or other gas system cleaner. It goes in your tank and will take a while to really clean things up.

How long has it been since this carb has been rebuilt?

OK, i'll try those cleanups...no idea how long since the carb has been rebuilt - I've owned the car a little over 1 year now.

That's the easy stuff. If that doesn't solve it, check the distributor to make sure that it is functioning properly. No shorting plug wires or errant vacuum diaphram. If that's all in order and working properly-

Next, I would suspect the fuel pump. The simple test is to replace the fuel pump and that might be the 1st thing to do, but it could be that the eccentric that drives the fuel pump is getting flat- in which case an new pump may or may not help. In any case I'd try the above solutions first- KIS right?

As far as the distributor, the Petronix II has some adantages in latest and most modern technology, but is a little pricey, and would require a '68 or later distributor body to gain centrifugal advance.

All in all the DuraSpark II system from '76 and later is hard to beat for price and simplicity. You can gap your plugs to at least .045", increase the intitial advance to about 12-14 degrees, and enjoy quicker starting, a better idle and increase performance.

Did I miss anything?

Doesn't look like it! Thanks again for the useful stuff David. I'm off to Joshua Tree for the weekend but I'll get in under the hood next week.

Cheers,

Toby
 
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