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DYNOED250

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EVEN THOUGH I HAVNT DRIVEN MY CAR YET, OR EVEN PUT THE MOTOR IN IM THINKING OF STARTING A NEW MOTOR BUILD.

THESE SC14 SUPER CHARGES, WOULD 1 BE BIG ENUF OR WOULD 2 BE REQUIRED. WHAT SORT OF DRIVE DO THEY RUN ON THE FRONT AND R THEY CLUTCHED.

WHAT SORT OF BOOST DO THEY RUN, MY INJECTION PUTER I GOT NOW IS GOOD FOR ONLY 10 PSI, SO I DONT WANA BE OVER THAT.
I LIKE THE THOUGHT OF NO SUDDEN BOOST LIKE A TURBO, BUT HOW MUCH HP DOES IT TAKE TO DRIVE THESE THINGS .
WOULD A COOLER B REQUIRED FOR THIS
 
Look at the Ogura web site. They made them for Toyota, and do a great trade in new ones. The technology is improving all the time.

http://www.oguraclutch.co.jp/english/e_products/sc/sc-1.htm

The SC14 is a 1.4 litre per rev blower with only two blades. It produces rather savage pulses, but is known to well enough to produce 270 hp all up. The SC12 is a 1.2 liter per rev blower, and its okay for an easy 230 hp.

The cubic feet per minute is calulated like this.

If it is geared 1:1, then 1.4liters per rev for a 250 reving at 5500 rpm is 7 700litres in a minute (1400 times 5500).

1 cubic foot is 28.3 litres, so thats 7 700litres divided by 28.3, or only 272 cfm. Thats if there was no loss of flow due to heat. In fact, the cfm divided by 1.6 gives you how much hp potential there is... about 170 hp. If you over drive it to 1.5 times the crank speed, thats 408 cfm, or about 255 hp.

The blower, at that speed, takes on lots of heat, and is not able to produce a huge amount of power.


Svens blown and slammed blue XF 302 Cleveland had two simply because after the 250 hp mark, it is doing nothing but heating air. Put two on, and theres a 500 hp potential.

My friend Richard has a Commodore VN with a 3.8, and Rod Hadfields SC12 kit. Theres 170 kw, up another 35% on the base 125 kw V6. It kicks but, and is switchable. Its noisy, but it produces enough power in a 1300 kilo car to do low 14 second quarters, something a 40 000 dollar, 400 kilo heavier XR6 Turbo can't do as easily. The kit cost him a little over 2000 NZ dollars, and has worked flawlessly.

Enjoy finding the under bonnet space. Your lucky to have a Cortina. The Falcon engine bay is rather restrictive with the spring towers. Remember, its smaller than the Selectair air conditioning pump, so it should be as easy to set up. Use the TE Cortina arrangement for its a/c option, and take the battery out of the right front and mount the other SC14 where the alternator is. Shift the alternator to down to the bottom, where the axial flow a/c compressors are on XF's, or where the alternator is on the OHC EA's.


pumplus had not a lot of good things to say about the SC14 in a TD Cortina, but the application was a blow through GRA carb set-up, and those carbs are very sensitive to air pulses. There were a few bends in the installation, but it was quite clever, and this is a great one to look at.

The CAPA serepentine drive, used on OHC Falcons, or the Commodore V6 Super charger set up is a good option.


For me, it all comes down to cost. Two SC14 are about a grand over here, going up all the time.

I have a 3.4 litre per rev R034 blower from a Commer truck, it can produce up to 415 hp easily, but is a nasty thing to package. I was going to put that in my Falcon, but the mounting was eloborate, and I wanted it to run an under hood LPG system. Dukeowindsors red XF is my kind of idea of a great package.
 
we have a place down here that sells these are the sc12's the ones out of the toyotas. sc14's are they harder to find?, as you say i think there round 450 each, so for around a grand, u have ya blowers, no exhaust manifold required, so theres a pluss, over all i estamate if u mounted them ya self it woulod have to end up owing at least 2k + after u got a pully machined up for the front.
ill just have to weigh up the difffernces betwen turbs and charging, but im leaning toward the supercharger.........

might not end up doing anything if im happy with my na cobo just have to wait and see
 
I'd say 460 hp from two easier to package and cheaper SC12's would be ideal :twisted:

The SC14's were from MR2's or Coronas, methinks. They are about 25 mm longer or some thing.

You could just run a twin throttle body port EFI set-up, and pump from both sides. You know you want two!!!!!!
 
mmm twin xf throtle bodies, .......... 460 hp ...... loads of torque......... stop it to tempting, im pretty sure my fuel pump and injectors are good for 450.
heya xecute, i read a few posts back about the most power a 350 holley or 500 holley could make on ultraflow manifold.

i saw with my own eyes, a 250 , with a 350 holley, 500 base plate, with a stock but ported standard manifold, do 305 hp, and 340 fp, ... it was running on metanol though, not sure how much differnce the fuel makes
 
Yes, I read your account. Methanol is funny because a carb has to flow a lot of fuel to ensure there is no lean out.

I have no problem with 305hp at all. 356 hp, yeah, that's another matter.

But I want to believe, really! There's a cosmic conspiracy against 350 hp 250's...
 
its a weird fuel indeed, i should have tried my motor on metanol, when we had it on the dyno, but as u need twice the fuel or there about, my injectors would of only allowed 240 ish if that hp. im like u 350 hp on avgas with a 500, is a fair wank, did the motor have roller cam and a 50 k race prepped ported head built by tyhe stone brotheres, those ultra flow claims are a bit much for avgas, if it was methanol id nearly belive it :>
 
great to see ur doing some good mods there.

with the sc12 blower... the sc12 (i presume thats what you have) is off a 2 lt mr2 toyota.

you may be able to bolt on a sc14 used on the 2.5-3lt toyota i6 from the cressida worth a look.

one thing to keep in mind....

the clutch pulley on these things are there for a reason.
the screw/rotor's in the blower can at times touch the casings, and they get very very hot internaly, causing problems with seals, and the teflon coating on the screws suffer premature wear.

hook up the clutch to a switched relay. and only turn it on when you need it. a good way to switch it is using a throttle switch. say 50% throttle the thing comes on.

good luck mate, keep up the good work, and keep us updated.

i got a suggestion for you new engine build,though :twisted: :twisted:

grab a ohc motor, twin and s/c that, a pair of sc14's would go down nicley. :twisted: :twisted:

cheers.joe.
 
the sc12 is off a 1.6ltr corolla 4AGZE
the sc14 is from a 2 ltr supra 1GGZE

12 stands for 1.2 litres/revolution 14 stands for 1.4/rev.
 
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