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[strat1960s]

I love giving my posts such suggestive titles. LOL

Ok, here we go.
I got the motor to start and run on a regular basis. However, the last 3 times I have started the motor, I have blown out my exhause gasket. I have gotten really good at detecting the smell of burn exhaust gaskets.
The last time I replaced the gasket, I really spent some time cleaning up the surfaces. I know everything is good and tight in there. Any suggestions?
By the way, I think the only thing from my car that came from 1965 is the VIN #. Found out that I have a 68 motor when Mike came over. I told Mike that from now on I am going to call the car "Franken-Stang". What do you guys think?
Here is the next question:
Which came first the chicken or the egg?
No really, Do I set the idle first and then time the motor, or do I set the timing and adjust the idle. For some reason, I was wanting to set the idle, time the motor and then re-adjust the idle as needed.
Please let me know if I am in the ballpark or way off.
Thanks for your help.
Ted

 

[Anonymous]

Ted, set the timing, (with all vac hoses plugged and capped, then adjust the mixture and rpm, then check the timing, make some changes where it needs to be made or slipped, your method would work too, but I find it easier to set the timing first then adjust the carb to that, then check the timing to make sure no changes have occured...

Great to hear things are going well for you...

As for the gasket? Do you have a port divider installed in there? are you running headers or manifold?

 

[Falcon62]

You might try doubling the exhaust gasket and see if that helps.

 

[strat1960s]

Yes, I have the port divider installed. I have dual headers, but I am waiting for the break-in period to pass before I install my dual exhaust system. I was told that the temperatures during the break-in period would damage the ceramic coating on the headers. For the time being, I am using the stock exhaust system until the motor is broken-in some more and for when I am actually able to drive the car.
I have been using the paper/metal gaskets available at my local parts store. I found a set of what looks to be all metal gaskets that I may try out in the morning. I think the guys at the parts store just like my money, that's all. LOL
Now that I am thinking about it, I think it is the exhaust ports with the divider welded in that are blowing out on me. Hmmmm.
I'll let you all know in the AM after I have had some time to tear into it.
Thanks for your help.
Ted

 

[Anonymous]

Any chance the manafold is warped or rotted away in places?
Twice now I have had to pull one off and have the mating surface machined.

 

[strat1960s]

Kev,

You know, it never gave the warped surfaces any thought. The best I could do to check it would be to hold a straight edge to it and look for gaps.

If I don't find any noticable gaps, I will try the set of metal gaskets that I found. I will coat them with some Permatex Ultra Copper RTV.

 

[Anonymous]

Just some thoughts...

We welded in the divider then machined the surface to create a smooth flat edge to mate to the exhaust.
Is there a chance the divider is creating a spot where the manifold sits up off the surface?

If I were you, I would get an all metal gasket, a tube of Permatex Ultra Copper, coat both sides of the gasket, both metal surfaces, wait a minute, then install and use loc-tite on the threads of the bolts. Should not blow on you at all... (this is the only method I have heard of where no-body has had trouble with them blowing!) and I like the stuff so well I used it on almost all of my other gaskets...


I have never heard about the coating being hurt by heat? The temps in the break-in are not any worse than running on a hot summer day... mine were considerably lower than even that...

But you should not blow gaskets specially with the manifold.
I cannot remember, is your head a log head or the 2V? there is an issue using the manifold with a 2v head, but nothing with a log head!

 

[Anonymous]

I told Mike that from now on I am going to call the car "Franken-Stang". What do you guys think?

Don't feel too bad, most of the Mustangs that are out there and being driven have a wide range of missmatched parts... there are very few "Non-Concours" cars with all the parts from the model year they sport! Matter of fact I have not seen one yet, that did not have some swapped date part... Mine had a 68 block, 69 head, and 72 tranny... we all have Franken-Stang mobiles!

 

[strat1960s]

So, I guess Franken-stang is not very original. LOL

Ok, yes, I am using the stock manifold on my Aussie (2V) head.
Does anyone know if there is going to be a problem with this?

Ted

 

[AzCoupe]

Ted,

If you want, I have an old set of headers that came with one of the OZ heads. They are rusty and don't look to pretty, but they might work better than the stock exhaust manifold until you get it tuned up and get the new headers on.

 

[strat1960s]

Mike

I appreciate the offer, I am still not giving up on this. I will figure it out sooner or later. Besides, I know I am keeping Checker Auto in business.
LOL.

If this set of gaskets (the metal on both sides kind) doesn't work for me, the I will let you know. It could be that the stock exhaust manifold just won't fit on the Aussie type head. I wanted to let the RTV have a chance to set up and dry before I fired the motor up. Maybe tomorrow afternoon. I'll shoot you an email to let you know.
Thanks again for all of your help.
Ted

 

[66Sprinter]

Mike...you still willing to part with the old headers? Will they fit my stock 200...no mods engine. If so PM me with a price and I will check Monday night when I get to Indy.

 

[Anonymous]

There was a post on it a while back, Addo made comment of having to change the 4 and 5 ports... I will see if I can dig it up!


Actually it was to you...
http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php? ... k+manifold

but if I were you, and you are just running this to the shop...
Forget the gasket, clean both surfaces very well, and coat them with Ultra Copper, then let them sit for a minute, put them together and torque that thing down good... go to the shop!

(use a small thin layer of the copper, you don't need a ton... it will squish out good)


That should get you to the shop, and through for a while, it is listed as a gasket substitute anyway, and it should not leak.

Then you can install the headers, use the gasket and copper again, and torque center out... lock the bolts!

Enjoy!

 

[AzCoupe]

I believe this is the post you guys are refering to.
http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2322&highlight=exhaust+ports

Jammer

I'll take some pics of it after work tomorrow and e-mail them to you.

 

[strat1960s]

Folks,

I must have missed that last post dealing with the exhaust issues.
So, if the copper RTV and metal on both sides gaskes hold up, I should be ok for a few hours of opperation?
I just want enough time to time and tune the motor and then I will head off the the alignment shop and then the exhaust shop in about a week or two.
I will try to fire the motor up later this afternoon or early evening to see if it worked.

Ted

 

[strat1960s]

I guess I missed that last post, sorry guys.

So, if the Copper RTV and metal on both sides of the gasket holds up, I should be good for a few hours of operation, right?
If it works, I want enough time to time and tune the motor and then off to the alignment shop and then to the exhaust shop.

Thanks,
Ted