Still searching for 1 barrel carb solutions.....

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Howdy Back Thor and All:

The 1101 Autolites were 1st used in Ford cars and trucks on the 223 six beginning in 1963. The 262 six in trucks got this carb in 1964 only. It was used in the 1969 250 sixes in Mustangs.

You are right about not using an 1100 with a SCV with your '68 distributor. You can plug the SCV hole and run your distributor with manifold vacuum. It will give you very high advance at highway cruise/ high vacuum.

You may have to try several different rebuilder sources to find the correct rebuilt. I have not experienced your problems with the 1100/1101s. The worst problem I've had to confront was a cross-threaded fuel inlet which was solved by some thread clean-up with a tap and some paint on teflon stuff.

The venturi on the Autolite 1100 is plastic and removeable/replaceable. The 1.1" venturis were used in all 170s in '64, Calif emisions- 200s with manual trans in '66, both Manual and auto trans C/E in '67. All 200s got the 1.1" venturi in 1968 and 1969, which was the last year for the 1100s. These '68 & '69 1100 did not have a SCV. Finding a 200 with a 1.2" venturi insert and installing it into a '68 1100, and some '69 1100 body may be the best solution for you. Some '69 1100 got the wide base and bolt flange, same as the 1101. If you have what you need it may be the least expensive option.

My 1101s do not have a removable venturi. It measures 1.2".

You may want to disassemble your 1100 cores and measure the inner diameter of the plastic insert venturi to determine what you already have. Pull and save the jets, too.

The heartache is that you can't tell from the outside what you have. All 1100, whether for a 144, a 170 or a 200 look about the same. The auto trans versions have a extra dash pot as an anti stall extra.

I do not know much about the Holley #1904 except that is was used on cars and trucks with the 223 six from '59 to '62. I believe it is also a SCV carb. but I don't know for sure. I have had no first hand experience with this carb.

The Holley #1940 was a replacement carb listed by FoMoCo as a replacement for 1100s when they were no longer being made, and for Carter YFs too. It is a general application, one-size-fits-all solution. I don't know about the throttle bore or bolt spacing.

Adios, David
 
Don- does $75 include the carb? :lol: After using an adaptor with my autolite 2150, I'm convinced the cost and of the adaptor and carb and hassle of making a working linkage setup is not worth it for me until I rebuild my 200 and open up the intake. I've heard enough from others here that the linkage deal is a hassle- I'm waiting for somebody to make a kit!

Steve-

I responded to your ad in the parts for sale section yesterday. If you like I'll re-send to your e-mail.

David,

I've already dismantled my 1100's- many times! They both have what I assume are the 1.1 in venturi. I did try taking one out of another carb once and broke it! Either way, it look's like it's best if I buy a 1969 or newer carb to run with my distributor and find a '65-67 carb for the larger venturi to transplant into the other carb, right? Life's never easy, is it! :roll: The best solution would be if Steve-o's holley will work with the later distributor. Do you recognize this carb that he has for sale?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... AMESE%3AIT



Thor
 
This is interesting....my email to and response from Redline weber. If they are the same "flow pattern", then I wonder what the differance is. The did not say what the bolt pattern is either. At $185 I'll probably pass, though.

-----Original Message-----
22, 2004 7:10 PM
To: topend@racetep.com
Subject: Weber one barrel carbs


Hi,

Clifford performance list's the ICH as 150 cfm. What is your 34 ICT
rated at, and what is the flange/bolt pattern and bore size for the ICT? I
want to run a single one barrel on my '65 ford 200 six.

Do these carbs have ported and venturi vacum to run with ford's early
vac.-only advance Loadamatic distributor, or just ported vacum to run
with the later vac/mech. advance distributor? Thank you.

Thor


ICT and ICH are exactly the same flow and bolt pattern....

Ported Vacuum only....

Please give us a call with any questions and we will be happy to help
you....

Top-End Performance
http://www.TopEndPerformance.com
 
Okefenokee Comet":ntq9hc7b said:
Thor, I know you want 1 bbl, but the stovebolt deal all in for 75$ with adaptor is sweet and works with the 200. http://home.centurytel.net/fordfan/Falc ... rsion.html
I have the base plate for pvc if you need it.

Sedanman":ntq9hc7b said:
Don- does $75 include the carb? After using an adaptor with my autolite 2150, I'm convinced the cost and of the adaptor and carb and hassle of making a working linkage setup is not worth it for me until I rebuild my 200 and open up the intake. I've heard enough from others here that the linkage deal is a hassle- I'm waiting for somebody to make a kit!
Ah, the Holley/Weber conversion! Let me shed a little light on the subject. First the $75 includes a carb, BUT...:wink: it may not be a bolt on. IF your linkage is made of multiple pieces, then it's not as simple as the mid-60's 'Stang. I know the 60 - 63 Falcons are a pain to adapt the existing linkage, and is the reason one should go with a cable setup instead. I don't know if this holds true for the squarebody Falcons.

Another issue, IMO, is the Stovebolt adapter. See my webpage for details. Personally, I'd opt for the Clifford adapter for the marginal increase in carb height over the dual adapter route with the Stovebolt. If you mount the SB adapter directly, then you have an off kilter carb that will require linkage fabrication. Again, a good reason to go with a cable setup. 8)
 
S-Man,
Not sure what size venturi is on the carb. I believe it to be a 1904 model. It has a heat choke system. I can send you more pictures if you'd like. There are some numbers on the casting if you want them.
This ran fine on my 1966 I6 Convertible.
It is a simple two bolt connection onto the carb spacer with a stock gasket. With a standard throttle linkage that is pushed up to accelerate.
Steve-O
 
Hi Phil,

Now you see why I don't want to mess with the weber conversion right now- another project I don't need! Yes, my linkage is several pieces just like the roundbody. Before attempting that swap, I'd want to see detailed photos of how it's set up including the cable linkage and brackets and such. I may do that swap when I build my 200 (which I just started dismantling today- boy it's fun!), and just skip the adaptor and mill the manifold down to mount it directly. Then again, I may try the 2150 again too!

Have you looked to see yet what one barrel carbs you have?


Steve-o,

The holley sound's good, but I'm still a bit concerned about this issue of the two differant distributors and carbs. I'm hoping somebody can ID that carb and tell me what dist. it's suppossed to run with as I do already have the mismatch carb and dist. and would like to get things right. Somebody in another thread has a carb for sale too, so I'm considering my options. I'll let you know.

Thor
 
CZLN6":6xyhkumy said:
You are right about not using an 1100 with a SCV with your '68 distributor. You can plug the SCV hole and run your distributor with manifold vacuum. It will give you very high advance at highway cruise/ high vacuum.

David, can you please clarify this? What is the "SVC" hole that I should plug up? I assume you mean that if I don't plug the hole, I will have very high advance at cruise/high vac. , which I have already determined to be the case. Although I'm not getting detonation, i think I am getting missfiring.


I may look into the holley that was used on the faimonts- I think someone else here is running one. So many options! Thanks for all your help :)

Thor
 
Thor - Remove the spark control valve from the carb body and plug it if you want to use your 68 distributor.

I have some of the old Holleys with the float bowl on the front, and some 1100s. I'll go dig through them tomorrow or Sunday and get back to you. Weather is nice, tomorrow is my wife's b-day, and we're hitting the lake. Time to try some new fishing waters. 8)
 
Thanks, Phil - enjoy your day on the lake! I'll try and call you later in the week. All this fuss may be for nothing, however. I started tearing down my 200 yesterday, and see the cylinders have a lot of wear so the block may not be any good. If this is the case, I'll be in the market for a later block and big log head, and need a differant carb anyhow. :roll:

Thor
 
I just got a reply back from clifford from the email i sent them asking about the ICH one barrel carb in their catalog. They said this will not work on my 200, and that I should consider the weber 38 with a manual choke. I can't find info on this carb- anyone know anything about it?

On that subject, on the phone with a local carb shop yesterday I heard that the weber factory in spain is closed due to a labor dispute. He thought this might have an effect on parts availability down the road.

S-man
 
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