All Small Six The 'Ideal' 200 Built By Committee

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1966Mustang

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  • I picked up a 1978 200 a while ago, for no other purpose other than I was bored and needed a road-trip to New Jersey.
  • The head has been cleaned and no cracks found. It is sitting on a shelf, partially pocket ported ... (for sale soon)
  • The block has not been inspected yet. It is sitting on an engine stand. Assume it's good and can be bored.
  • Also assume it's going in my 65 Mustang Coupe. My HP goal is... about 400ish
  • Reply with your suggestions/ideas on the Carb/EFI, Ignition, Pistons, Cam, AL Head?, Tranny, Reardiff, Exhaust, Turbo???
  • Upvote the replies you like, downvote the ones you don't (up/down arrows on the right of the replies).
  • Let's have some fun with this!
As 'decisions' are made, they'll be posted here, subject to change.

Added Google Sheet Feb 9, 2020 for P/Ns and Purchasing Dept. Progress...

Mostly Decided:
  1. Holley Super Sniper 4150 650HP PART# PART# 550-520 - https://www.holley.com/products/fue...sniper_efi/sniper_4bbl_tbi_kits/parts/550-520
    1. Sniper ignition, etc
  2. VI AL Head #10269 Ported - https://www.vintageinlines.com/product-page/deposit-only-aluminum-head-package
  3. Extended Valve Stems +.30 - re note to Matt @ VI stem add +.30 to length as default
    1. SI
    2. Manley
  4. 1300909705/177210 BW Airwerks Turbo S300SX-E 8378 61.44mm T4 .88 AR Journal bearing
  5. F38-Black-14.5psi - Tial F38 38mm Wastegate Black 14.5psi
  6. QBOV-Black-11psi-AL - Tial Q BOV 50mm 11psi
  7. Camshaft - Solid-Lifter Cam CompCams Card 68362
  8. Lifters - Oil Hole Solid Lifters CompCams SKU 817-12
  9. Roller Rockers - RAU - F-44RA & F-44RRA? - http://rockerarms.com/pages/rollerfordcad.html
  10. Adjustable Timing Gear Set - PART# JPP-200-DRC - https://www.vintageinlines.com/product-page/dual-roller-timing-chain-set-170-200ci
Developing and Can-Do:
  1. Connecting Rods - Pauter Engineering FOR-235-565-1248F
  2. Custom forged 2618 alloy pistons - http://racetecpistons.com/
To be Developed or Figured on:
  1. Equal Length Header/T4 Collector
  2. Harmonic Balancer / Damper
    1. http://www.atiracing.com/contact/contactati.htm
    2. B-H-J - Spoke with Chris, good conversation
    3. Fluidamper contacted - nope
    4. ATI - too much normal stuff to do custom.
  3. Oil Pump
    1. Contacting Pauter on oil pump mods.
    2. 250CID Pump, Adapter and drive from D2S Racing Products Inc. ( @drag-200stang )
  4. Oil Pan
    1. Canton?
    2. Modify stock pan, develop windage kit

Added Jan 29,2021 7PM

Vendors Contacted/Emailed:

Magnum Machine Inc.

https://www.magnummachineincorporated.com
Magnum Machine Inc.
921 Business Park Dr
Chesapeake, VA 23320
Telephone: (757) 424-1440
FAX: (757) 424-6210
Owner says- "No prob, I like the oddball builds"

Rocker Arms Unlimited - https://rockerarms.com
16575 Clear Creek Rd.
Redding, CA. 96001
Tel: 530-242-1316
Fax: 530-242-1332
Email: rockerarms@rockerarms.com
re: @bubba22349 's suggestion on roller rocker availability, made in usa

Pauter Machine - https://pauter.com
Don Pauter
367 Zenith Street
Chula Vista, CA 91911
Tel: 619-422-5384
Fax: 619-422-1924
Email: info@pauter.com
Custom Connecting Rods - FOR-235-565-1248F
And oil pumps...
https://pauter.com/parts/oil-pumps/
contacting about HV 200 oil pump mods.

RaceTec Pistons - https://RaceTecPistons.com
Randy Gillis
15681 Computer Lane
Huntington Beach, Ca 92649
Tel: 714-903-4362
Fax: 714-891-0190

CAA Racing Products/Protohawk (torque-plates/other engineering)
https://www.protohawk.com/ https://ccaracing.com/
Michael Gallo
- offered to sanity check our torque plate. because... no one wants to wreck a chunk of stock :D - which is awfully gracious of the owner.
- Makes insert bushings too: https://ccaracing.com/engine-block-tooling/
 
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1966Mustang

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Update on where 'we' are:
  • @CNC-Dude has received a head gasket to compare the honing plate drawings against. CAA has the same info as CNC-Dude to sanity check.
  • Contacted cometic, bestgasket, clark, and sce about head gaskets. Cometic has a pattern for 200CID - I'm talking to them about options.
  • Balancers - Contacted BHJ - provided them with 2 part numbers - C2DZ-6312-A - Single Groove and D8BE-6316-CAL (double - this is what mine has stamped...) This info should be easier to find but somehow was not. Will rectify that. Talking about 2 groove and serpentine option. They have made a 250 balancer for a customer in AU - Joyce Engineering - bought 2, never heard from again.
  • Contacted crank-scrapers.com - ishihara-johnson about if they've done/have a 200 kit or want to do one.
  • Looking at 3D scanners for reverse engineering. I think there's an opportunity here. If you have one already - PM me.
 

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no, I killed all sense of decorum w/that last post
:banana:
might's well 'hit on it entirely wid dis over the top emojie.
 
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There is no doubt that the yella terela roller rockers are of a very good.quality. Recently there is also another option by custom made by Rocker Arms Unlimited that might also be worth checking into and they are located in Ca, RAU was the suppler of rebuilt stock 1.5 ratio stock and custom modded 1.6 adjustable stock rocker arm sets for Classic Inlines C. I., not sure if V. I. Matt is also using them but might be.

These New 1.65 roller rockers aren’t listed yet on there web page but I have seen a picture or two of them and look to be real nice quality. http://rockerarms.com/pages/rollerfordcad.html
Thanks for the tip. I called them today and for there adjustable 1.6 ratio rocker arms they want $22
 

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what kinda profile?
and will machining B done on the head for the double springs?
extra long valve stems?
Glad some 1 is back to actually testing/publishing. Gives me a sense of "Mike's Revival".

Know if Matt's looking @ the stalled 300/4.9 project for production (or may be guys on the BB6 HiPo forum?).
 

1966Mustang

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what kinda profile?
and will machining B done on the head for the double springs?
extra long valve stems?
Glad some 1 is back to actually testing/publishing. Gives me a sense of "Mike's Revival".

Know if Matt's looking @ the stalled 300/4.9 project for production (or may be guys on the BB6 HiPo forum?).
Here is the cam card: (CompCams)
I don't know what Matt is up to regarding the 300/4.9 stuff. I do know some stuff though. :D
camcard.png
 

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"...some..."
more'n 'some' bra...
Thnx for the card shot, deffinatly that head w/those numbers. Never saw a 277/280 w/114.
From Comp means 'off the shelf' no?
 

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Oh, I saw the "core selected" on the crd but it was reground, no?
"...tinker a bit with their profiles to get it to fit..."
 
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