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Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

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Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #1 by bob_g » Wed Jan 05, 2005 9:21 pm

I went to the Krogdahl website (krogdahlheads.com) and it directed me to AAAP. Doesn't look like the site has been kept up in about a year. Does anyone know how to contact them? I have a friend going to Queensland, and he wants to check them out. IIRC they were located somewhere in Queensland.

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Post #2 by xctasy » Mon Jan 10, 2005 1:38 am

Please note. This head exists for high rpm applications. Possibly the head to use on nitromethane blends.

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http://www.aaappp.com/

The Twin Cam Size Cylinder Conversion Kit has been precision engineered to suit size cylinder Holden and Falcon engines.
Holden Blue/Black/Red motors (2.25-3.3 litre)
Ford All size cylinder engines from 1965 - today '96 (200cu/in - 4.1 litre)
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The approximate cost of this kit is $5,500 + GST and includes:
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Re: Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #3 by Invectivus » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:30 am

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1964 convertible falcon - Gutted.

1973 EB Bronco - 302ci (sorry!) DUI ignition, C4/D20, Dana 44, 33's

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Re: Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #4 by rocklord » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:30 pm

Invectivus wrote:https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/High-Performance-Ford-4L-Krogdahl-twin-cam-engine-based-on-AU-block-/273748921295


For that price, I’d get a turbo Barra engine built to the nines, purchase a vehicle to put it in, and still have money to blow.
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Re: Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #5 by gb500 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:30 pm

the barra engine is now in a few of the aussie 60-65 falcons (XK/XL/XM/XP) . hadn't seen it before but a number of companies doing the conversion kits :

ie

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Muscle-Gara ... 3992106320

the tuff mounts one is reputedly the go .

http://musclegarage.com.au/index.php?ro ... uct_id=249

the pics on the web site are with the 2008 onwards BTR auto (4 speed?) . = needs cutting of tunnel .

but you can put a good old C4 behind the barra and no cutting of tunnel


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Re: Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #6 by gravelrash » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:53 am

i have a barra and c4 in my XP falcon. no cutting needed.
1965 XP Falcon.
250 2v Turbo holset H1C 600dp blow through Holley.
250 turbo crossflow efi
NOW a turbo Barra on Haltech Elite 750

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Re: Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #7 by Mike » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:15 pm

What is the Barra engine?
65 200 coupe, 3.25 8 inch maverick rear end, cross drilled Granada fronts, 16*8 vintage 45's, OZ 2v head, t-5, JME cluster with Stewart Warner gauges, 10*2.5 rear brakes - Future fuel injection (side draft throttle bodies)

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Re: Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #8 by rocklord » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:07 pm

Mike wrote:What is the Barra engine?


Read about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Barra_engine
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Re: Does Krogdahl still produce a DOHC conversion for the 200?

Post #9 by xctasy » Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:26 am

Mike wrote:What is the Barra engine?


Ford benchmarked the Aston Martin and Jaguar 24 valve six in lines, and updated the 250 Ohv valve cross flow into a 4 liter Twin OHC engine. Tickford, Aston Martins tuning wing, did a preview DOHC engine in 1991 based on a repitched Jaguar AJ6 head when it won a technical services contract with Ford Australia to modify XR6 and XR8 engines.

Both American Windsor 5.0, 5.6 and then Modular Iron block 5.4 V8s were modified, as well as the earlier 4 liter SOHC. Ford under Jac Nasser got approval to use a percentage of Premier Automotive Group special services to conquer emissions and performance and fuel economy objectives. The budget was small, but Tickford and its work with Ford had exceptional clout

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Post #10 by bubba22349 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:11 pm

I have seen severial pictures of these Barra's and they do look to be big but haven't found much on the measurements and the weight listed anywhere for them only that they are heavy. I would sure like to acquire a good compleate one like a 325 Turbo or semular. :thumbup: :nod:
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Post #11 by xctasy » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:50 am

bubba22349 wrote:I have seen severial pictures of these Barra's and they do look to be big but haven't found much on the measurements and the weight listed anywhere for them only that they are heavy. I would sure like to acquire a good compleate one like a 325 Turbo or semular. :thumbup: :nod:


Post #22 outlines the common weights.

The other posts include the 4.0 Cologne Mustang and Explorer SOHC, and thr EcoBoost 3.5, and Modular 4.6 2V SOHC.

Search user gb500. He posted a PDF of sizes of 4.0 DOHCs. In fact, he has supplied 90% of the pictured info on all Australian small sixes here.

My post was

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72629&p=558311&hilit=4.1+liter+engine+weight#p558311

The Australian Falcon SOHC 1988 to 2002 block and alloy head was about 245 kilograms or 540 pounds, CFis were lighter. That SOHC was made in 3.2, 3.9 and 4.0 liter form. The DOHC Barra, only 4.0 non turbo or turbo

The large journal crank and extra camshaft for the DOHC 4 liter 2003 to 2017 Barra means about 540 pounds as well. Turbo engines are heavier due to the Front or Engine mounted inter-cooler and GT Garret turbo.

The Barra engine is almost 300/4.9 length, up from the 250 sixes 31.5 to 33 inches.

Height is the same as the US 250.


There are some problems with fitting the Barra into the early 60-65/66 Round bodies before the XR revision 66 (Fairlane/69-70Torino based) and surprisingly, the 1975-1980 versions of the US Granada, Mercury Monarch, and Lincoln Varsalies.


The Australians added internal width on the upper spring towers to engineer the under-steer out of the X shells from 1972 to 1996. Front tracks grwe from 56 and 58.5 inches of the 60-65's and 66-70s to a massive 60 to 61.5 inches.

The 1987 XF Falcon

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verses the 1980 Mercury Monarch


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The US cars kept the spring towers closer, and the 75-80 Granny/Monarch/Baby Lincoln had the spring tower brace removed, and the upper spring towers heavily reinforced, but they are possibly even narrower than the Round Bodies and 69-77 Mavericks.....at the US LH side engine to spring tower clearance is very limited. There is no spring tower brace, though.

Here is a fairly common 1983 XE Ford Falcon with a Barra 4.0

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verses this 1976 US Ford Granada with the same 4.0 Barra.



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the Slanted L series and RB series Nissan engines fit in easily.


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Post #12 by gravelrash » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:23 pm

My turbo Barra powered 65 XP Falcon
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Post #13 by xctasy » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:47 am

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Real Barras. Nice for you to tune in gr!
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FAZER 6V0 3x2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
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Post #14 by xctasy » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:18 pm

US SOIL START.


FIRST START! 1976 Ford Granada - Barra Swap - Part 5


Holley HP CPU,
Custom Alloy Welding Australia intake
Aussie Nugget Garage A/C bypass (A/C delete and minus 1-1/2" shorter serp drive belt, )
Fahler Speed & Performance intake to suit the tightest X shell shock towers of all Falcon based chassis cars,
changed to LS coil over plug,

thermostat, upper rad hose and GM coolant sensor.
Volvo turbo
Volvo truck cooling fan



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X-Flow Engine Components Ltd http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10

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