Starter Swaps for the 250's, 200's, & other Small Six'es

[bubba22349]

Hi Chad didn't you put a 250 six in yours? If so why would you get an FE starter? Should be the SBF V8 two bolt starter.

 

[78_200_C4]

The ebay FE starter application guide also lists the log head six including the 250 . The C4 small pattern 200 bellhousing for the 2 bolt starter has 3 starter bolt holes + the 3 bolt FE starter can be mounted with 2 bolts.

Ford Falcon 2.4L/144CI L6 1961 - 1964
Ford Falcon 2.8L/170CI L6 1961 - 1969
Ford Falcon 3.3L/200CI L6 1963 - 1965
Ford Falcon 3.3L/200CI L6 1966 - 1970 Automatic
Ford Falcon 4.1L/250CI L6 1970
Ford Granada 3.3L/200CI L6 1975 - 1976 Automatic
Ford Granada 3.3L/200CI L6 1977 To 12/13/76 Automatic
Ford Granada 4.1L/250CI L6 1975 - 1976
Ford Granada 4.1L/250CI L6 1977 To 2/1/77
Ford Granada 5.8L/351CI V8 1975 - 1976
Mercury Comet 4.1L/250CI L6 1969 - 1976 Automatic
Mercury Comet 4.1L/250CI L6 1977 To 2/1/77 Automatic
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ROBBMC Ford Gen II Mini-Starter – PN 3001
331-428 FE Series V8 with 1965 and later 184 tooth ring gear.
255/260/289/302/351 Windsor Series V8 with auto trans
255/260/289/302/351 Windsor Series V8 with manual trans and 157 tooth ring gear
351 Cleveland V8 w/auto trans
1994 and earlier 5.0L V8 with automatic or 5 speed manual trans
170/200/250 Series L6 with 3/4" ring gear offset
1981-1990 232 (3.8L) V6 except FWD & manual trans trucks
240/300 Series L6 with auto trans
1961-1967 430/462 MEL Series V8

 

[78_200_C4]

Notice the 3 starter bolt holes in the (2 bolt starter) 170 200 cid 6 cyl automatic block plate (and inspection plate) - Exact copy of the original Ford part - Made in US.
I believe what matters is starter depth and the starter hole diameter not the tooth count. I think an aftermarket 3 bolt mini starter will bolt to a C4 bellhousing that orginally used a 2 bolt starter. The C4 small bellhousing has 3 threaded starter bolt holes.

 

[78_200_C4]

3 bolt ebay $94.95 FE mini starter. It has clearance slots for the converter studs. It doesn't look like it needs to be clocked.

 

[chad]

Should B enuff, gentelmen, to get back to it nxt wk...if not I'm in trouble (C sig below), well knewn that all ready.
Thnx,
back w/ /OR/ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[drag-200stang]

If you care about saving weight the Robbmc style is the lightest I have found and a full 10 lbs. lighter than the old oem and about 2lbs lighter than the Nippondenso style.

 

[chad]

lightens my wallet too much~

 

[drag-200stang]

The 17 lb. starter hurts my bad shoulder more than my wallet ..Each person can do what is best for them...Well for now anyway.

 

[chad]

a mini for price of oe is nice, still got that well known rasp ocasionally - may need to shim as might have ordered manual for auto or vice versa. Too bad these did not have the exchangeable ring gear~

 

[Schwinnman07]

All Ford 144, 170, or 200 small sixes that have an Auto Trans including the 1960 to 1964 Ford O or Merc O Matic's as well as all 1965 to 1981170 & 200 sixes with a High Starter Mountl C4's transmission they all use the smaller the same smaller bell housing bolt pattern (the only exception to this is the one year only 1982 200 six block know as the big bell block this resembles 2/3 of the SBF V8 and uses a low mounted starter) with a Three Bolt Starter thats the same bolt pattern as used on an FE V8. Yes there are some FE Mini starters that will bolt right up to the small block Ford 170 & 200 Six with a C4's. I don't know if the one you listed above will fit though you would need to do the testing to find out. For best results look for a Mini starter that's able to be clocked for the best fitment, as one example the Power master 9000-6, The FE starters have two pinion drive depths of 3/8 or 3/4 inch the safest way to get the right FE starter is to measure the distance from the stater mounting pad to the ring gear.

All 1966 to 1981 high mount starters for the 170 & 200 small sixes using a 136 tooth flat type flywheel and the 9 inch clutch with manual transmission use a unqiue 2 bolt starter that looks much like a 289 or 302 type however it is clocked differently so that those Mini starters won't fit, they are too tight against the block. Best of luck.

Hello, I have a 200 six with the 136 tooth flat type flywheel a 9 inch clutch with manual trans and am having a hard time finding the correct starter,Do you know the part number or type of starter I need ? the one I got from Napa is making a screeching noise. and not engaging correctly. I bought my ranchero with this problem and have been fighting it ever since. thank you.

 

[chad]

I bought my ranchero with this problem and have been fighting it ever since. thank you.

2 pages of data above, not helpful? Do you know these vehicles? 136 FW is unusual to me...
I'd suggesting starting at the begining, here:

The Ford Falcon SIX Cylinder PERFORMANCE HANDBOOK | Vintage Inlines

The Ford Falcon SIX Cylinder Performance Handbook has 107 pages of History, Facts, and Information to help you get more power out of your small Ford SIX. This engine was used in Falcons, Mustangs, Fairlaines, and Comets in the 60’s. It was the FoMoCo workhorse in Mavericks, Granadas, and...

www.vintageinlines.com

and while waiting for delivers peruse:

Classic Inlines

for free while waiting 4 delivery.
I hada just to ask the right Qs
aahahaha
!

 

[johilo]

ALOHA; NEW MEMBER NEEDS INFORMATION ON 250 SWAP INTO 1964 RANCHERO, WITH A C4 OR AOD (IF I CAN FIND ONE). THE C4 TO THE 250 NEEDS A 302 - 250 BELL HOUSING AND CONVERTER. DUE THE DIFFERENT SPLINES OF CONVERTER WHAT DO I NEED TO USE? MY PRESENT ENGINE IS A 200 WITH A C4 (LOOKS LIKE ONE WITH NOB ON TOP AND VACCUM MODULE ON BACK). THE 250 IS BEING UPGRADED AND LOOKING FOR PREFERRED AOD TRANS. FORDS ARE SPECIAL DUE TO ALL THE VARIETY. IS THERE ANYTHING I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE THE AOD BOLTS UP TO THE 250 BESIDE THE TORQUE CONVERTER? I WANT TO DO THE CONNECTION ON THE FLOOR BEFORE THE SWAP. I READ ABOUT THE MOUNTS,AND DRIVE SHAFT LENGTH. I WILL RUN MY PRESENT SET-UP UNTIL I CAN COMPLETE COMPLETE MY 250 UPGRADES AND NEW TRANSMISSION. WHICH C4 BELL HOUSING AND TORQUE CONVERTER DO I NEED FOR MY 250 ? I HAVE READ ABOUT 302 TYPE BELL, BUT WHICH ONE ALSO THE TORQUE CONVERTER NEEDS TO BE WHICH SMALLER ONE (WITH THE DIFFERENT SPLINES/SIZE ? MY PRESENT ENGINE AND TRANS MAY NOT BE THE ORIGINALS. THEREFORE DOING THE NEW BUILD ON THE FLOOR FIRST. WILL GO WITH A C4 IF I CANNOT LOCATE A AOD BY JULY 1`. I SAW ONE FOR $3000 AND WANT TO KEEP MY COST DOWN. A OLDER C4 WAS LISTED $100. NEED HELP WITH THE TYPE OF PARTS REQUIRED FOR MY PROJECT. I HAVE THE FLEX AND RING GEAR PLATES WITH THE 250. SELLER KEPT BELLHOUSING/C4.

 

[chad]

need a new/different thread for post #32 as this is more on starters.
Usually an admin helps w/a move.
If doing so (urself or by admin) it will get more directly pertinent answers and more attention for it as it is (not starters).
Try here:

144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance

The Legendary Falcon Six

fordsix.com

Good Luck
8^ )

 

[rocklord]

ALOHA; NEW MEMBER NEEDS INFORMATION ON 250 SWAP INTO 1964 RANCHERO, WITH A C4 OR AOD (IF I CAN FIND ONE). THE C4 TO THE 250 NEEDS A 302 - 250 BELL HOUSING AND CONVERTER. DUE THE DIFFERENT SPLINES OF CONVERTER WHAT DO I NEED TO USE? MY PRESENT ENGINE IS A 200 WITH A C4 (LOOKS LIKE ONE WITH NOB ON TOP AND VACCUM MODULE ON BACK). THE 250 IS BEING UPGRADED AND LOOKING FOR PREFERRED AOD TRANS. FORDS ARE SPECIAL DUE TO ALL THE VARIETY. IS THERE ANYTHING I NEED TO KNOW BEFORE THE AOD BOLTS UP TO THE 250 BESIDE THE TORQUE CONVERTER? I WANT TO DO THE CONNECTION ON THE FLOOR BEFORE THE SWAP. I READ ABOUT THE MOUNTS,AND DRIVE SHAFT LENGTH. I WILL RUN MY PRESENT SET-UP UNTIL I CAN COMPLETE COMPLETE MY 250 UPGRADES AND NEW TRANSMISSION. WHICH C4 BELL HOUSING AND TORQUE CONVERTER DO I NEED FOR MY 250 ? I HAVE READ ABOUT 302 TYPE BELL, BUT WHICH ONE ALSO THE TORQUE CONVERTER NEEDS TO BE WHICH SMALLER ONE (WITH THE DIFFERENT SPLINES/SIZE ? MY PRESENT ENGINE AND TRANS MAY NOT BE THE ORIGINALS. THEREFORE DOING THE NEW BUILD ON THE FLOOR FIRST. WILL GO WITH A C4 IF I CANNOT LOCATE A AOD BY JULY 1`. I SAW ONE FOR $3000 AND WANT TO KEEP MY COST DOWN. A OLDER C4 WAS LISTED $100. NEED HELP WITH THE TYPE OF PARTS REQUIRED FOR MY PROJECT. I HAVE THE FLEX AND RING GEAR PLATES WITH THE 250. SELLER KEPT BELLHOUSING/C4.

Just to let you know, in forum decorum typing in all caps is considered YELLING AT THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS!

Welcome to the forum.

 

[bubba22349]

Hi johilo, and welcome to the Ford Six Forum. Yes X3 please if you would go and start you own new post with just a couple words in it then I can move you first post over into the Transmission & Drivetrain forum and then we can get you some help here is the Link. https://fordsix.com/forums/transmission-drivetrain.76/
The 250 Six with a C4, AOD, Or AODE swap are all very easy to do and parts should be easy enough to find. Good luck

 

[rocklord]

Here is a link to a 250 with an AOD:

The Old 250ci Engine

This has been a great engine! It has tremendous torque, gets terrific gas mileage, and has been as reliable as an anvil. The only noticable flaw has been the inability to run in extremely hot weather (95+ degrees) on pump gas due to detonation...

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