Air Fuel Ratio Meter?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Anonymous
  • Start date Start date
A

Anonymous

Guest
I was reading through posts and saw something on Air Fuel Mixture meters... this sounded like a good idea to me so I started research and found a lot of information.


My question is where can I get one of these for a reasonable price, Summit sells a MSD unit for 150$.... that seems high? but it looks like a good unit.


Also, can someone recommed a good but reasonable fuel pressure regulator... to me they are either too cheap or too expensive?
 
8) the holley fuel pressure regulators are only $25 for a single inlet/dual outlet one.
 
Jimbo skip buying the air ratio meter and just have your engine dyno-ed, they put a tail exhaust probe in your tailpipe when they dyno it and it gives your air ratio from idle to red line. You can also adjust your air ratio while testing, and don't forget they will tell you what Horse Power your engine is really making to the rear wheels. Or take it to a smog shop and have them check it there! I have found that other than me buying the Aussie 2V head, the dyno test has been some of the best money spent. :party:
 
Agreed. The through-put at smog and dyno shops is such that the guys are real sharp. Here in Dunedin, NZ, the best dyno-tune experience I had was waltzing out with a 25% torque boost after doing a carb and intake manifold change. And I've only had one tune up since 1998, and the thing hasn't let me down.

You can buy Exhast Gas Temperature (EGT) sensors, which are bimetellic strips that measure exhast temperature, and wide angle O2sensors and tailpipe sniffer sensors. The all run on the same principle. The issue isn't that they are not worth the money, they really are, but that you'll end up analysing such a huge amount of data that you'll feel like your disapearing down your exhast pipe. Non -turboprop light air planes have used this approach for years, but the technicians at road dynos are abel to ensure you'll never get lean-out or rich settings.

If you are going from different altitudes, maybee one EGT may allow you to trigger a ballistically hot exhast valve, but it would be higly unlikely you'd ever cook a valve or hole a piston. You'd notice something odd first.

If I was you, I's save your money for Cruise Nights, Mustang Monthly articles, and recreational persuits with your stove hot stead. You'll most likey star in all episodes!
 
Now I may be a bit redneck, but couldnt he put in an O2 sensor bung then run a wire into the car with one of the el'cheapo digital multimeters (local Harbor Freight has them on sale now for 3.99) and use this chart of O2 Sensor voltage outputs to plot his own mixture? Then when done playing, put a plug in the bung and off he goes, or leave the sensor in it for future use..

But then again maybe I'm missing something. Whats so special about this analyzer that performance stores sell? does it go in the intake side of things?

-ron
 
Believe he may be refering to a series of LEDs that show actual ox content in the exhaust. The Ox sensor output voltage is fed to the box and the box (usually with red, yello, and green LED's indicating lean, nearly stoichiometric, and rich, along w/ ratio numbers) rather then reading an output voltage and interpolating a ratio. The visual cues are a bit easier to read (necessary when running down the front straight at Willow and looking for your brake marker.), and if you make a change, or atmospheric conditions chage, you can determine what change you want to make and which way to go
 
No, I don't think your missing the point, but are you able to see the air fuel ratio or exhast gas temp or o2 content while you drive, and make sense of it and provide information on what you need to do about the information given to you?

I work as a pilot of a road roughness vehicle. It uses a US data logger which takes road roughness snap shots every 32 feet. Then it converts the roughness readings to an international standard. The thing is, I can drive 17 miles, and get 62000 data points. To get good runs, I have to repeat the process five times to cut out experimental error, and get a good percentile. The data gets dumped into a spreadsheet, and then you decide what you gonna do to the road you surveyed. All I'm interested in doing is making sure the road is the smoothest it can be for each coin my company throws at it, but before I could even do that, I had to set up a whole bunch of spread sheets, and rules, and calibration constants just to get a meaningfull out put. The mantenance crews told me they wanted less info so they could make sense of the reams of graphs I delivered to them. So I had to do a third kind of report so everyone could get there head around it. And I was only looking at one thing...bumps in the road per mile!

With a car, you've got to control all the experimental error and environmental factors. On the road, you just can't do it without many, many runs. In Australia and America, Ford engineers do the final fuel mapping debugging in sweltering weather with the same type of data logger I do, only 100 times more powerfull, and with much more data space. Along with about 20 other thermocuples all over the engine, trans and exhast. They use a Wide Angle O2 sensor which tells you how lean or rich the engine is running. Just the same as CoupeBoy suggests. But what you gonna do with the data, and how do you know the lean fuel air ratio you just caught wasn't a weather change, or cooling problem, and which cylinder was getting steamed, and did the engine knock, and if so which cylinder.

On a dyno, you can create the condition which causes a lean out right away, and do five runs, the minimum required to get a 90% -tile idea of what is happening.

I'm not against getting the technology into the drivers hands, you guys should have a go. It's just that it isn't always a case of backing off on the main jet, or idle screw, or emulsion tube or float level, or ignition advance etc. etc. when you see the sensor go into the red. An O2 sensor will tell you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but only about one aspect...the exhast gas temperature, not a sausage more!

As for me, I've got a Campbells Scientific 8-bit data logger under my bed, and I'm not even about to hook it up to an O2 sensor untill I get someone dynotuning my proposed supercharged 228 engine.
 
I had mentioned using a Air/Fuel meter in another topic for a gentleman who was wanting to change carbs. I would only use one of the cheapo meters for a general idea of how rich or lean the carb is running. This type of meter is not for fine tunning but works well for us poor people to get a general idea of what's going on with the engine. I would say that the price($40)is worth the info you can get from it.
 
Back
Top