how can i lean out the carb???

[Anonymous]

I'll be adding hydrogen to the engine next week and i'm not sure if the extra fuel may be too much, also if i can lean out the gas mixture from the carb i guess the mileage would go up too (gas prices are starting to scare me...) can i just set the float level really low, does the idle mixture screw controll only the amount of air or the amount of gas too ( if i completely closed the screw would there still be gas flowing into the carb or does it just cut off all the air??? Thanks for any help...cant wait to install the hydrogen thing...

 

[xctasy]

The EGR port was there to lean out the carb at various times. As Mark P said, when you rip the gear off, it normally runs rich. The correct means of sorting it is to refit emissions gear, or find a jet which is about 3 thou smaller. Remember, the carb isover rich...the jet is now too big. You need to know what is there in your orignial carb, and reduce it. The other thing is the carb is in fact lead plugged to ensure it can only be leaned out. With the EGR and emissions gear, there is possibly insufficient range to lean it out further. You may find there is a need to find a special needle and seat valve to do this, as it may have to be backed out more than Ford or Carter intended.

By hydrogen, you mean the propriertry stuff Super Mag mentioned that allows you to pass Fed sniffer tests, is that right?

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the help Xecute...i think i'll try smaller jets, since i like not having the EGR taking up space...by hydrogen i mean the electrolosis of water and actually injecting the hydrogen gas into the engine....but the result is also cleaner emmisions so i can pass sniffer tests...ive got the jar finished right now, tommorrow i'll find a way to mount it...does anyone know of a 12 volt power source under the hood that turns on with the ignition, cause i would like to hook up the hydrogen thing under the hood and have it come on when the car is on...thanks

 

[xctasy]

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[Anonymous]

hehe...i know...but i got the basic plans from a site and plenty of people have built one...also they're being sold for about 500 bucks so i'm building my own, i also have a valve on it so i can controll how much goes into the engine...i really hope it doesn't blow up...it should be fun anyhow ...i put a fuse in the wiring so i dont get too much power going through cause thet would most likely cause it to blow up...on my website in the higher mileage section i have how one is built...called hydroboost...umm...yea...i sorta modified mine though, should work better than the other one... i also keep in touch with bruce at HIMAC who has alot of knowledge on these things....sooooo....again...can anyone tell me of a good 12 volt power source that turns on with the ignition and is under the hood...actually this is more of an electrical question now...i'll post how the thing works though later next week...if theengine blows up then fordsix wouldnt have any responsibility for it anyways...it would be the people who put the project on the internets fault...cause they didnt post any warnings about the thing blowing up so i figgured it would be relatively safe...although they did mention one unit blowing up cause of too much acid in the mixture...but i'm using epsom salts and dont need very much...

 

[Anonymous]

Isnt hydrogen what powered the Hindenburg??

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Ditto what xecute said!!

Later,

Doug

 

[Anonymous]

whatever...its built...its goin in...nothing can stop me...mwahahahaha...

 

[addo]

There's not too many things that really go wrong spectacularly.

Remember the kids spraying laughing gas into the valve cover? That could have made rather a pop, but didn't. X21 got rearended so hard in his Mustang that the fuel tank ended up in the passenger compartment. No fire either. There's usually a "soft" or progressive failure that occurs. The amount of hydrogen produced would be readily dissipated harmlessly under the lid if the intake/induction blew apart.

Just my way of looking at it. Remember the dangers of a loose nut on the wheel.

 

[Anonymous]

trueslayer:
Speaking as one who works in pyrotechnics for a living:
don't be putting hydrogen gas under the hood with HV ignition systems. Hydrogren is very light, and when it gets loose, tends to collect in the ridges of the underside of the hood. It requires exceedingly little energy to ignite. A hydrogen fire of this size takes less than a second, which may be enough to open the hood, and the flash heat can easily ignite the fuel inside the fuel line that will be in close proximity. The car would then become a most unpleasant place to be....

On the practical side, the amount of electrical current required to generate significant hydrogen will very likely drag down the electrical system in the average Ford. When this happens, the alternator goes into full-output mode, which will then require about 8 extra horsepower from the engine to turn. The result, viewed as a system, will be lowered overall gas mileage, due to electrical drag on the underhood system. This effect is frequently demonstrated by those who add 250 watt stereos to their cars, only to then need a larger alternator and battery, followed by more trips to the expensive gas pump.

If, however, all you wish to do is raise your gas mileage, take a look at some of the posts I (and others) have added to this forum on the topic. For instance, my changes have so far added 5 MPG to my wagon's mileage without changing my driving style, and I still have several more tricks up my sleeve (which I'll be posting, as soon as my testing is complete).

One other comment: one of the nation's (U.S.) leading hydrogen-fuel experts is a friend of mine here in Denver. He has been "pushing" hydrogen fueled cars for almost 15 years. His primary comments: hydrogen is dangerous to transport, difficult to start (burn) inside high-compression cylinders and very dangerous when floating around in high-temperature, high-voltage environments (like under hoods). Be careful.

 

[Anonymous]

thank you all for your comments and your concern...i have currently thought of certain things i can do to keep this as safe as possible...i'm gonna mount the thing in the empty area between the radiator and the grill, that way if it does pop its'far enough away from me...also i'll be running the fuel lines along the edge of the frame since the PCV jar is close to it, so i dont have to worry about the heat getting to it...on top of that i do have a valve to controll the hydrogen gas output as well as a fuse...also there is now place for hydrogen to escape, since the air hole has a tube and an aquarim air stone so access hydrogen wont be escaping...i forgot what a power drain it would be though, thanks markP...I really do want to give it a try though...But before i do i think i'll talk to bruce at HIMAC and ask him about any problems...my compression is only 8:1, so that should be fine...I do like addo's optimism though...anything can be dangerous if not though out or created properly...i'll just take my chances (and not run my stereo at the same time)...Just hope for the best as results that ive seen from others do seem quite impressive..enough so that i will take a risk or to to achive those results or better....but i must say that my PCV jar works amazing...dont know what MPGs are but i estimated i get around 200-250 miles to the tank (i used a calculator, so it would be around 350-400 km to the tank) about ish...i only estimated by using a 1/4 tank gas so it could easily be more or less....whatever i know its better than i ever had before...also the amount of water to air space in the hydrogen jar is quite small so if an explosion were to occur it would just be rather loud...on another site where someone is experimenting with hydrogen he says he made one and ignited the gas and the explosion shook the house...but that was one of his bigger more complex systems...i will be doing it so pray for me ...again i thank you for concerns and input and will think twice about how it goes together for optimum safety...an if mileage is improved enough the trips to the gas station will be less even with the extra HP loss (or i could just mod out the engine to get that extra 8 HP back)...with the hydrogen i should be getting a complete burn as well as the carbon wont build up since hydrogen reacts with carbon and turns it to water....there are benifits to this if i get it working well...and i plan on getting i high output alternater soon anywas since i will be puting a competition type system in sooner or later...as it is the stereo uses a total of 450 watts

 

[Anonymous]

here is a post on a letter from Bruce at HIMAC...

Hi Dave
I have yet to hear of one exploding with all the time with this. Also most guys are just afraid because they fed to much bullshit through the system that has suppressed this info for 80 years.
I have a friend that has a pop mech type magazine from 1919 and it stated in future all cars would have a similar system and if you search there are a few companies doing the same thing with prices up to $8000.00 per truck could they be doing it if it was bomb Actually the amount produced under no pressure is not really expolsive it actually implodes and is explosive only when pressurises, Search thru and read on Browns gas generators
Did you know that a Condensator / PCV jar is a mini supercarb running vaporized fuel over a catalyst? If you see 25% gains there then understand how al these guys got 100 mpg

 

[Anonymous]

100MPG is still unpractical....but still he hasnt run into a unit that blew up...mileage gains are supposed to be anywhare from and extra 10 MPG to more than double the origional mileage...so that extra loss in power doesnt hurt too bad, also wouldnt the hydrogen add extra power???

 

[MustangSix]

You could probably raise your gas mileage by more than 10% just by raising the CR from the abysmal stock 7.8-8.0:1 to a more efficient 9:1.

Or leave the engine alone and do a low boost turbo. Those later low compression engines are just begging for a little boost.

 

[Anonymous]

yea i have thought about a turbo, but i want to wait till i find a good use one, when i have money...i didnt realize that raising the comp ratio would be that good of a performance gain....

 

[Anonymous]

Hydrogen power produced by electrolysis from car's alternator = tin-foil hat.

 

[Anonymous]

Hydrogen power produced by electrolysis from car's alternator = tin-foil hat.

hehe, yea...when u say alternator are u saying ther is a 12V power source coming from the alt. which comes on when the car is running??? or is the power output from the alt wire only 6V?