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i want it be a drag car but look stock cuz like to bring it down to the local show but my goal is an all out performance drag car!

im in flemington NJ about 30mins from trenton
 
i mean stock by the interior of the car and the exterior minus some upgrades... the engine isnt going to look stock i could care less i just want the performance out of it so that it goes... any info is still apreciated though
 
1. The first performance upgrade for anyone is GET A BETTER JOB ;) If you are questioning cost, this might help :roll:

2. A great motor for that kind of demand is a 250 rather than a 200. The 200 is a great daily driver/boosted motor (or for your demand, as many have proven) but I'm from the school of "bigger is better". The only reason I don't point towards a V8 is the I6 has seven bolt mains :!: and that means power for longer life.

3. I'll argue this till the cows come home: 1.6 adjustable rockers > longer duration cam. Longer duration cams can really kill a daily driver, while simply degreeing a stock cam with a better rocker will help draw in that extra air without increasing duration much if at all. If you must get an aftermarket cam, like with the expanded timing package, go with the 264 cam. Check out the eye candy section to see people who already have that cam, and you'll get an idea of how lopey it can get. I think adjusting the carb for higher idle may solve that, however. A lot of the vids I saw were people running 1-bbls.

4. If you're considering REALLY hardcore performance, forced induction may be a better path.

5. Never, ever skimp. Consider this: If you do a half-ass job now, you may want to prepare yourself for rebuilding your motor- from scrap. Even if it costs more now, it may cost less in terms of both money and heart-ache to just get it done right the first time. I'll even send you the book I currently have that goes into great depth about how to determine the right cam and degreeing for the specific motor you have. However, as I have said: I'm sure AZcoupe has already done this math into the cams they sale at FSPP, so you can rest assured that you can't go wrong with their cams.

A lot of this was stuff I got when I was doing work on my other car, and they put me on the back burner! It's all in good intents, as it's better to say it up front and honest than be soft now and have you angry at me for saying white lies. Take what I say with a grain of salt, as I'm not as experienced with working on a car as some of these guys are, but I have researched a lot and been through a bit myself.

OH! One last thing: The more elbow-grease you put into working on your car, the less it'll cost...
 
im not going to skimp on anything i was just wondering what was worth the money and what was just excesive... i need more power through the engine and from what i've seen for the 200 the best way to get that initial boost is through a new cam...
i do have a question though with a new cam how much horsepower should i expect to come from it??
but yeah i plan on spending what it takes to put a good cam in right now im looking at the 264 extended cam package from FSSP...
let me know what you think about this package and how much increased horsepower i should get from it
thanx
 
Sean, you would appear to also benefit from the dual roller timing set (doesn't seem to be included in the package).

If the motor's reasonably healthy now, it may get you an honest 100HP total at the wheels. That assumes appropriate externals - carb, exhaust, ignition. That might sound unsubstantial but compare it to unbiased dyno tests on (say) a Shelby mustang with K-code 289; typically they have put out less than 220 RWHP. :P

Cheers, Adam.
 
Hey Sean,

First, welcome aboard, and you really need to understand these engines before making any crucial decisions. The "Falcon Performance Handbook," is a good place to start your research, and yes I did say "research." There is no one certain horsepower # you will gain from any mods. because every engine is different. Cam change could be 10 to 35 increase, like I said it depends on your engine's applications. As well as carb changes, headers, forced induction, ignition upgrades, etc...
The only way to find out would be for every one modification you do to the engine, have it dyno'd for that mod.. Catch my drift, by no means trying to scare you away, you just have to start at the beginning...LIKE WE ALL DID. There is no just "throw-together" and get 100 instant HP, unless Mike's new aluminum head prevails, everything works as a system, if one benefits so will the other (talking engine components here). Carb with a header with upgraded ignition with a cam, etc... Ok, I have blabbered enough...anybody care to continue where I left off...

Kirk
 
the cam package and the extended both include the dual roller timing... but what is the difference between the csc-264-SHS and the csc-264-DHS???
 
That represents two diffrent lobe centers. One is a 110 center and the other is a 112. A 110 has a nice lopy sound with good low end and is usually used with a stick but can be used with an auto. A 112 has a smooth idle and is better for top end. the 112 is usually used with an auto.

Later,

Curtis
 
I am wrong. A dhs is a 264/274 duration cam. The lobe center is represented where the 12 is. CSC-264-12-DHS
sorry about that

later,

curtis
 
wait so i have an auto trans 200ci which would be better the dhs or the shs??
 
the DHS is a daul pattern cam with more duration on the exhaust side. The SHS is a single pattern cam. The DHS would be better for more of a "dragster". If you have an auto i would advise runing a 112 lobe center. both cams can be ordered with a 112 or 110 lobe center. I'm not really the one who you should talk to. PM AzCoupe, he knows what would work best for your aplication.

Later,

Curtis
 
ive tried sending him a PM ill try again but i havent herd back from him but then again it was only a few days ago might be busy
 
ok this is hopefully what im looking at doing... finaly...

im going to put on a 2bbl carb
then for the cam im looking at the extended package csc-264-dhs with the HR 1.6 adjustable rocker... im running a 200ci with the auto trans

what do you all think of this for the cam combo??
 
No shortage of lift.

My understanding of dual pattern cams is that they were originally ground for the Falcon motors because of restrictive exhaust manifolds. The cam opens a shade longer on the exhaust, to allow more effective purging of the spent mixture.

It is worth checking that you can fit that cam without needing to raise compression (any more than a skim on the head will achieve).

Who will be doing the work?
 
Don't forget you may need new springs, retainers, etc. for that cam.
Are you getting new valves? Good time to put in the SI oversized stainless steel ones.
 
yeah im probably going to use the 264-dhs and im putting in a 2bbl carb with it thats all i can afford to do right now... plus since im in classes and work im going to have this mechanic i've know for 7 years and have him do it and if im around when he gets to it then ill watch and learn :D
 
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