what you paid to have your six rebuilt

[red65stang]

Im looking into having my 200 rebuilt and was wondering what you guys had yours rebuilt for and what all did it in tell?

 

[LameHoof65]

Basic Bottom end---500 miles back:

Block decked by .010
Cylinders board to .040
New moly chrome rings
Crank .010 under
New crank bearings/inserts
New oil pump
Honed cylinder walls
Same cast rods, checked for wear and problems=$500.00w/ labor.

'78 Head (200/250):

Hot-tanked and Magnafluxed $60.00
Milled about .050 for 9.1 compression $60.00
Modified log for direct flat 2bbl mounting $75.00
Complete valve job including 3 angle valve job new hardened intake and exhaust seats and opening of exhaust for FSPP Si valves, bowl work on exhaust, guides, seats, spring shims, freeze plugs, ccing' of head, knurling of guides and installation of guides and seats.....$500

7qt. perf oil pan about $350 (IIRC)

Parts:

FSPP si valves, '79 windsor 351 exhaust springs 12, 4.0v6 retainers, retainer keys...264/274 clay smith cam. dble roller timing chain, FSPP lifters, adj. rocker arm, teflon seals, chrome moly pushrods....complete corteco gasket seat....approximate total for everything about $400 (just my estimate).

Misc. fuel pump, hoses, 2300 holley (500) new air cleaner, FSPP pacemaker headers and locks (Mikes pacemaker kit with ceramic upgrade)-----estimate cost----another $500.oo

You add it up I am afraid too....I still have things to get before getting it in the car and running.....but getting there.

I forgot about the 10 hours I spent with the dremel porting the intake and exhaust....that ought to be at least another $400 for someone else to do.

 

[red65stang]

wow i should have never asked< now im affraid.
Thanks darwin, im going to start calling around and finding out what i can get done for what

 

[LameHoof65]

If you shop around, do your own bowl and port work you can get that head done cheaper than I did by about 1/2 others did a little better. Think through your moves real long and hard before putting your hard earned cash down. I just got tired of looking for that all in one great deal---they can be had if your patient and not in too much of a hurry.

 

[kirkallen143]

Like I said before, "It's only money."

I'm afraid I have more than that into the turbo'd 200.

block=$900.00 (same done to it as darwin's)
head=$700.00 ( " " )
turbo=$600.00
other misc.=$700.00 (at least, this includes my mistakes during build-up and internal parts of engine (timing chain, oil/fuel lines, exhaust, coolers, etc...))
drivetrain=$400.00 (new clutch, PP, tranny rebuild, etc...)

BUT IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY OF IT, 'cause now I can say that I have the only running turbocharged 200 inline 6 in a early Ford bronco...
PRICELESS.

Kirk

 

[red65stang]

Thanks for the input guys. I'm kinda wanting to build this up to handle a turbo, ive found a couple of T3's on ebay for cheap. I will shop around and try to do as much as my own work as possible. Ill keep you posted on what i find, thanks for the help guys.

 

[rommaster2]

For a total engine rebuild here (bottom end, valve train, head job) i paid 1500, thats all just basic parts though, like if i wanted a custom cam i would have had to bring it to him and give it to him.

 

[Funky Cricket]

around 2000, i had mine completely rebuilt, keeping the pistons, including head work and labor for 1250. That was dropping off the car and picking it up a week later (apartment living with no garage... can't wait till I get a house).

I don't have it any more but the thing still runs and starts like brand new.

 

[red65stang]

what kind of pistons would you guys run in a 200 with a .030 overbore? ohh and it will be turboed

 

[LameHoof65]

That depends on how serious you are about running it. If I were going to add a minimal amount of boost and/or limit it to 5500 rpm most of the time I would probably run the cast iron...but if I was going to put the power to it I would go with forged pistons--Mike has some nice ones...JP I think? He also has some coated pistons. Seems like I read in my mustangs & fords where Does10's is running stock cast pistons on the falcon. Sorry if I am wrong, Does10's but now I will have to reread the article.

 

[ludwig]

I bought a stock magnafluxed (they said) long block with head and hardened valve seats. They took my old block as a core. Cost $1100. Now I have some good meat and can start sinking $$$$ into it little by little.

 

[Does10s]

Seems like I read in my mustangs & fords where Does10's is running stock cast pistons on the falcon. Sorry if I am wrong, Does10's but now I will have to reread the article.

We were running cast replacement pistons. We're using forged ones from FSPP that are made by JE.

With that said the cast ones work fine if you don't get to stupid with the boost. And more importantly, the tune up is correct!
Later,
Will

 

[red65stang]

what would it do if i put a 250 head on my 200?

 

[LameHoof65]

If no one has told you, get the "ford falcon six cylinder performance handbook" you can get it from the ford perfomance parts site...new address---
www.classicinlines.com

The early model 200 heads had smaller carb openings, smaller intake and exhaust....the newer or later model ('77&up IIRC) heads fit both the 200 and 250 with greater intake and exhaust as well as carb opening.

To answer your question if you have a later model 200 with a later model head it is the same as the 250, but if you have an earlier model head as mentioned above you would be much better off in regard to flow to have the '77 or later head. And of course visit "Mikes parts site" as mentioned above for all the finest of performance parts.

 

[red65stang]

cool thanks darwin

 

[LaGrasta]

what would a rebuild swap form AutoZone run? They're C4 is only $399.

 

[mugsy]

I *think* the 200 head has the same exhaust valve size as the 250 head. The intake valves I know are larger on the 250 head versus the early 200 head. The 250 head has larger diameter "log", plus the valve diff.

tanx,
Mugsy 8)

 

[james singleton]

I bought a crate engine (long block) for $ 1,505; but of that amount ($1,505) $175 was for freight (out-of-state), plus $200 for a core charge. I was going to use a local machine shop for the rebuild, but when dismantling my old engine I found that a piece of the intake manifold/head casting was broke off towards the back of the engine. I checked into the welding of cast-iron and was not convinced that it would hold up; especially since the piece that was broke off was an ear and might break off after installing new engine. So I needed to find a head and by the time I totaled up the cost of buying a head to have rebuilt, along with the cost of the engine block, I figured it might be a wash. Plus the crate engine comes assembled except for oil pump, oil pan, timing chain cover, water pump, and valve cover.

 

[red65stang]

where did you buy your crate motor from james?

 

[james singleton]

Red65Stang, I bought my crate engine in early May of this year from an outfit up in Spokane, Washington. Check out www.rebuilt-auto-engines.com on the internet. The company that does the rebuilding is called S&S ENGINE REMANUFACTURING. Also, the engine comes with a seven year or 70,000miles warranty on the long block after you send in the necessary paperwork with a diagnostic report from your local shop that does diagnostics, such as a smog station (I am in Calif.).