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Chipped my cylinder bore

Post #1 by Gom212 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:40 am

I chipped the cylinder on the 6cyl on bottom of the bore and I was wondering if it is salvageable? I was wondering i could get it sleeve on it and will affect my compression since it chipped near the camshaft. I'm trying to post pics but it's not loading so if you wanna see and tell me and i can send.

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Re: Chipped my cylinder bore

Post #2 by bubba22349 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:07 am

It al depends on the amount of damage and more than likely it won't even need to be sleeved just dress up a any sharp edges pictures would help to determine that. Being at the bottom of the cylinder it's also not going to have any effect on your cylinders compression since its below the ring travel. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Re: Chipped my cylinder bore

Post #3 by Gom212 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:50 am

I measured it from the bottom of the bore to end of the chip on top and it's about a 2 inch chipped from the bore just a few millimeters to where piston stops to the bottom.

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Chipped my cylinder bore

Post #4 by chad » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:59 am

still not understanding U.
"chip"?
a score?, line 2 inches long? 2 mm deep? is it all w/in the piston travel? part in/part out?
May B how it wuz done would explain?

Sounds like a pass w/a:

https://www.zoro.com/gearwrench-engine- ... gKBOfD_BwE

might clean up? Need to hear a lill more...
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Post #5 by Gom212 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:25 am

I'll send you the pics cause it's not letting me, i believe the pics would be better. So message me so i can send it to you and it will better explain how it is.

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Post #6 by wsa111 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:05 pm

A photo would help. If its on the right side of the bore, being the major thrust side, it may be very questionable?
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Post #7 by bubba22349 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:53 pm

Gom212 wrote:I'll send you the pics cause it's not letting me, i believe the pics would be better. So message me so i can send it to you and it will better explain how it is.


Send Them to me in an Email. :nod: :thumbup:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

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Post #8 by Gom212 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:52 pm

Thanks i sent you my email so I can send the pics

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Post #9 by bubba22349 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:16 am

:hmmm: Well Gem212, looking at those pictures that's a pretty good sized hole looks like it could of been caused by a conecting rod getting kicked out. A sleeve might fix it depends on the structural damage behind and the back side of that hole. What does the bottom of block look like in that area can you take some pictures of that? :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #10 by woodbutcher » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:01 pm

:hmmm: Bubba,if you have his pictures,why don`t you post them for him?
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Post #11 by Gom212 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:26 pm

I sent the bottom pics, the chipped is pretty close to camshaft so I'm thinking it's still salvageable if i put a sleeve

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Post #12 by bubba22349 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:20 pm

Sorry it took so long had to go back to my old desktop computer to load them.


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A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

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Post #13 by Econoline » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:30 pm

Is the water jacket compromised? What are the three layers in that second pic??
It ain't gonna fix itself

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Post #14 by bubba22349 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:31 pm

It's hard to tell lighting is low in some pictures of the bottom end shots, but I think that damaged area your seeing is the cam tunnel were it looks like a rod? Hit it. The Water jackets are on the other side of the block. Definitely needs a sleeve and maybe even some welding or brazing to build back the damaged area. :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #15 by Gom212 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:36 am

I didn't know i could get it weld, but if it saves the engine I'll be happy to get it fix and add a sleeve it would be a shame to junk it if i can still salvage it. Thanks guys I'll see if i get it cleaned and repaired. :thanks: :thanks:

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Post #16 by chad » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:17 am

i believe the sleve is a machining then insert,
the weld is a lill more specalized as the block would B brought up to hi temp (400*?) 1st.
Good Luck, I think it;s swell you'd try'n save it.

Wht vehicle R U wrkin on?
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Post #17 by Gom212 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:25 am

Its from original 79 mustang, A friend sold me his 200 but it's a 200 big bell and I didn't know they changed the design but I really didn't want to junk my old block without knowing if it's still repairable.

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Post #18 by bubba22349 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:41 pm

Yes the old timers often repaired blocks by brazing or welding. Personally I have made these type repairs to many engines, and worked on many more that had these type of repairs done by others. Some repairs are done where you can’t hardly tell others are quite crude looking. If you plan to do this repair it should be done before any machine work or sleeving. If you get your engine dissembled the rest of the way take some more pictures so we can see all the damage. Depending on this you might not even need more than a sleeve. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:
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I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #19 by Gom212 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:53 pm

Thanks, yeah i got it all disassembled and sent you the pics other then the chipped the bore looks good but I'm not 100% so let me know what you think.

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Post #20 by wsa111 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:33 pm

Get an other block. If you are in the area of the water jacket, time to move on.
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Post #21 by chad » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:14 am

I'd say look at the back of that area. If U can have access.
I forgot if I had done some assembly and wuz able to borrow a bore-a-scope, poke it in there, take a lill look. No dissasembly/reassembly, I hadn't forgotten. A big box auto wearhouse store might have 1, make a deposit, bring it back, $ returned...
Its got a lill flex arm (may B optical fiber?) U poke ina lill hole, view ona screen out side the area/on the other end of the lill arm.

I am a bit lost in ur pic. I can ID the cam, a lill more. Ck the block, as others have said, frm the other side of the gouge to gauge it's depth & extent of damage (Hummm - leave it to ford6 - "guage a gouge") um, um, ummm~ :lol: :roll: :oops:

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Post #22 by bubba22349 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:39 am

Gom212, the block looks good to me I think a sleeve will probably fix it. I will post all the pictures when I get home from work this afternoon. :thumbup: :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Post #23 by Gom212 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:23 am

Well it is on the side of the water jacket, it didn't crack the cylinder bore just chipped the bottom of it, but yeah i agree the engine is still salvageable to put a sleeve on it. Tbh i really hate the thought of junkin it no matter what but that's just me lol. i already got another 200 from a friend, I'll will just take my time with my orginal and just rebuild it and hopefully put original back in after it's done.

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Post #24 by xctasy » Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:20 pm

Knowing the tendancy for Cleveland Engine plant blocks to crack, Id say no to sleeving a thinwall block that has had a cast iron rod let go. Wsa111 is right. Its scrap.

The correct approach is to magnaflux it, and find the extent of cracking, then pressure test it with fluroscene mixed with kerosene under 20 psi pressure.

If those are okay, then resleeve with chemset metal weld. In your case, the water jacket has been exposed when the rod or rod bolt let go, so its unable to be repaired, a no brainer.

If you have the engine number, without commiting a felony, you can perform a very specific kind of repair, which you can talk with the Frenchtown Flyer about. Its drill and plug welding, and it works if cost is no object.
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Post #25 by bubba22349 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:11 pm

In my Opin I don't see any evidence of any damage to the water jackets on eigher side of the Block. Only a small piece is broken out on the cam tunnel side of the block. I think a sleeve would fix it or if you have the piece that broke out you could braze it back in if you wanted. The block doesn't look like its structure has been damaged either. if your engine has the cast type Connecting Rods you might want to hunt up a set of the earlier forged 200 rods there much stronger if your planing a performance type rebuild instead of trusting the weaker cast type Rods. For a test you could also reinstall the crankshaft and one of the rods and its piston in that #6 hole turned to bottom of its stroke to see if the ring pack even goes down that far, if not you could maybe even skip putting a sleeve in it too. X2 Yes to Magna fluxing it and a Pressure test is also a good idea. Good luck :thumbup: :nod:

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Post #26 by Gom212 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:08 pm

Thanks yeah I'm gonna get it tested once i get it all cleaned up and rebuild if it comes out good, thanks guys :thanks: :thanks:

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