100% h.p.BOOST.....

[LEROY POLL]

HELLO BOOST FANS

.....A FEW MONTHS BACK SOMEONE HAD AN IDEA ABOUT COMPRESSED AIR TO BOOST A MOTORS OUTPUT. ..AT THAT TIME I REMEMBERED THE GAS TURBINE SUPERCHARGERS AND PROMISED TO FIND THEM AND REPORT BACK.

.....HOT ROD MAG. JULY 1965 HAS AN ADVERTISEMENT ABOUT THE SUPERCHARGER. ..THE LEAD AD SAYS, IN BOLD LETTERS, "GUARANTEED SPLIT-SECOND 100% H.P. BOOST.....( SMALLER LETTERS)... WITH THE FLICK OF A SINGLE SWITCH! ..THE AD HAS TWO MODELS THE FIRST WAS A MODEL C-6-A. ..IT WAS FOR MOTORS OVER 500 CU.IN'S. ..THE MODEL C-2-A WAS FOR MOTORS UP TO 300 CU, IN'S. COSTS WERE $700.00 AND $300.00

.....A BIG CHART WAS ALSO IN THE AD. SOME MOTORS AND H.P. CLAIMS WERE.....
...................................................................STREET........STRIP....
...MOTOR..................SIZE.........STK HP.........BLWN HP......BLWN HP.
VALIANT 6 CYL.......170 CU. IN....101 H.P. .....255 HP.........378 HP....
FORD 8 CYL............289 CU. IN....195 HP. ......434 HP.........641 HP....
JAGUAR 6 CYL........230 CU. IN. ..265 HP. ......430 HP. .......638 HP...
CHEV...6 CYL..........230 CU. IN. ..140 HP. ......345 HP. ......510 HP. ...

..... THE COMPANIES NAME WAS TURBONIQUE, INC. THEY WERE IN ORLANDO, FL. 32805. AT 20 NO. KENT STREET.

..... YOU COULD BELIEVE THEIR CLAIM AFTER YOU SAW ONE OF THEM WORK. THEY WERE JUST UNBELIEVIABLE. WHEN I FIRST SAW A CAR RUN WITH THE BLOWER AT FULL ON....... THE WHEELS JUST MELTED AND I THOUGHT THE MOTOR WOULD BLOW. I BEIEVE THE FIRST ONE I SAW WAS A 1957 DODGE HD.TOP. IT DIDN'T MOVE MORE THAN 20 FT. IT HAD TOTALLY UNCONTROLIBLE POWER. THE SMOKE JUST BLACKED OUT EVERYTHING. IT WAS MORE THAN YOU SEE TODAY AT THE STRIP OR(DRAGS).

.....I DON'T REMEMBER EVER SEEING A FULL ARTICLE ON ANY OF THE CARS OF MOTORS. THEIR WERE MANY ARTICLES COVERING THE EVENTS THAT HAD THEM THERE. THEIR WERE GOOD PICTURES SHOWING THE SMOKE, AND BURNNING TIRES.

.....IF ANYONE OUT THERE WAS THERE IN THOSE DAYS AND CAN GIVE A BETTER ACCOUNT THEN DO SO. IF YOU HAVE SOME OF THE PICTURES THEN PLEASE POST THEM.

LIVE IN GRACE

LEROY POLL

 

[MandarinaRacing]

Browsing on the web, I founf this (don't know if this is what you mean)
But check it out anyway!!!!!!
http://www.ada-interlock.com/turbonique/RocketGTO.jpg
also....
http://www.rocketkart.com/

http://www.almar.easynet.be/turbonique.htm

Alex

 

[Anonymous]

The company is gone but the self powered turbo is alive and living in the current French main battle tank.
It's called Hyperbar and it produces 100psi at idle. In a diesel this thing is killer. At least the French know a good idea when they steal it!

John

 

[xctasy]

Any turbo can do a boost acceleration like what is discussed in these threads. Keith Duckworth, the guy who designed the Cosworth DFV/DFX 3 and 2.65 liter quad cam powerhouses based on a couple of Kent pushrod blocks with his revolutionary pent roof 4V head said this of the turbo engine:-

A turbocharged engine is a conventional piston recipricating engine sharing its combustion chamber with a gas turbine

The very fact that Ferrari got knocked back in the early 1980's for placing fuel injectors down wind of the compressor housing to raise boost on its F1 120 deg V6 displays this perfectly. And the old thread on Anyone Into Cage Fighting, where an Aussie guy did 1353 rear wheel horsepower with a 6.2 liter small block V8 and 45 psi of boost using a fuel spike to trigger the gas-turbine boost facility that a high-boost engine suddenly developes exposes the truth. That car was contesting the annual Street Machine Horsepower Challenge. The car was so far ahead of the rest, that the scrutineers forced a mandatory manifold strip-down as the competitors felt he must have been using N20!

Since 1996, the maximum power at the Street Machine Horsepower Challenge has tripled primarily because the turbo guys have discovered how the gas-turbine portion of the compressor produces boost with a over rich mixture. Just like a flame thrower exhast, only contained so that the full force of the expanding gas creates monumentally big boost at the intake manifold. Criminal? Only if your trying to compeate with one, and you don't got a turbo!

Obviously Cosworth, being realists, understood turbos were the only game in town. 500+ HP Pinto engined Sierra RS's and DFX's with well over 850 hp soon followed Renaults turbo invasion of F1 in the mid to late 1970's.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh Oh, now you have me THINKING! And it HURTS!!!

If you were to take advantage of the current air pollution equipment a turbo might run better. I'll explain.
If you ran a log style turbo exhaust manifold and attached a cat converter directly to it with the air injection functioning then the turbo would recieve hotter exhaust gasses then it would have with the normal exhaust alone.
The cat would light off the unburned hydrocarbons and add to the already hot exhaust.

The Up side:
More hp and cleaner air
The Down side:
I don't know if I want something that hot under the hood of my car! Gonna have to shield and insulate it some how.

John

 

[LEROY POLL]

HEY JOHN

.....THAT WOULD BE A REAL ROAD BURNER,.....JOHN!!!

LIVE IN GRACE

LEROY POLL

 

[xctasy]

yes LEROY, John would want to know where he was going after death if he ran that much boost. :fume:

Live in Grace, but stay off too much boost, team

 

[Anonymous]

Now be nice!
Don't make me send my Mother in Law over there! I was saving her for the Chinese!

If you ran a cam with a little more overlap than you normaly would, a normal performance cam instead of a turbo cam. Then you would have a fair amount of unburnt fuel going out and being lit off by the cat. The turbo being directly attached to the cat would spin up quickly from the thermal energy not just the exhaust gas velocity.

I just wonder if it would work.

John

 

[StrangeRanger]

I don't think your cat would live very long subjected to that kind of heat. Better to do what Turbonique did and inject thefuel just before the turbo and get the energy out of it as work before t hits the cat (which still won't live very long)

 

[stanger53]

It reminds me of an article I read several years ago when Ohio George Montgomery (I believe) was running a turbocharged 2300 Ford engine in a Pinto.
He used a rev limiter - the kind that cuts out cylinders evenly so that they won't load up on gas - and set it at the line a Wide open throttle. The engine would sit at the RPM he wanted but a lot of unburned fuel would go out the exhaust, into the turbo and flame up. The turbo would build A LOT of boost REAL QUICK this way and he would leave the line at full boost power. The car was so quick, it was immediately banned after he raced at a few events. He had this done to him before because he was so much faster than the competition at the time.
I always thought that was a neat way to get a turbo car to leave at full boost right off the line.

 

[LEROY POLL]

HEY STRANGER53

..... THESE WERE ALSO BAND AFTER ONE BLEW UP. IT HAD A REAL BAD FIRE AND NHRA DID NOT WANT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. SO THEY LET THEM RUN BY THEMSELVES FOR AWHILE. THEN THEY WERE BAND TO EVEN START-UP.

.... IN THE LATE SIXTIES CHRYSLER HAD THEIR SPECIAL TRUBINE CAR OUT TO TRY TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD DO. THEY FELL UNDER THE BAND AND COULDN'T RUN. WEEKS LATER THEY GOT TO RUN AND I DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT BUT, WAS TOLD IT WAS SLOW FOR THE CLASS IT WAS IN BUT, TOP SPEED WAS GOOD THOUGH.

LIVE IN GRACE

LEROY POLL

 

[Anonymous]

Just before Turbonique went under they published a thin book which detailed the technical specs for each of their engines. The book includes detailed blueprints for each engine, as well.

I happen to have a copy of said booklet, and will eventually scan it into my website. (Please be patient... )

IIRC, Renault eventually got up to about 1200 hp (in qualifying trim) from their 1.5 liter V-6 turbo-F1 engines.

Toyota got at least that much power from their 2.1 liter 4-cyl Camry engines (inliners, of course... ) in the Gurney Eagle GTP car - and ran it at 60 psi boost and 900 hp for endurance events at a mere 7200 rpm.

The so-called "9th injector" is standard equipment on Champ car engines. It is situated just downstream from the compressor outlet. By injecting pure methanol into the airstream, they are creating, in effect, a chemical intercooler.

High rpms and excess heat kill engines - not boost.

Got boost?

 

[Asa]

turbo + 1.5L V6 = 1200hp?

*falls out of chair stunned*
.... wow....

 

[Anonymous]

turbo + 1.5L V6 = 1200hp?

*falls out of chair stunned*
.... wow....

Not quite...

2 turbos + 2 intercoolers + 1.5L V-6 = 1200 hp 8)

 

[Asa]

*falls out of chair again*