Newby got a 170 in a 66 Falcon with 40k miles.

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Straight out of grannies garage. Motor is stock and tight. Have never owned a Ford I 6 and gonna have some performance parts questions for a spell. Read my post under introductions for a quick background. My question is, what are my options with this particular motor? I am talking fire , fuel, and exhaust. Mainly bolt on cause motor is in great condition. Any help would be appreciated for this is a motor I have never dealt with except to get it out of the weeds onto the road. From what I have read, it has a lot of crank bearings and should be a solid dependable motor. It does run smooth at midrange but think the throttle plate is a bit loose on the shaft (irradic slow idle problems). Looking at fuel upgrades anyhow so not too worried about it at this point. Somebody please enlighten me or just send a really good link for I like to read a lot when I get time.
 
By way of a welcome, I should warn you that some of my opinions probably go against the grain. :wink:

Headers are something a lot of people rush towards. They will do 9/10 of squat on a standard motor, with the 10% benefit mainly being in looks. However, if the exhaust manifold is cracked or damaged and you're anal enough to want to "do things right" sometimes it's cost-effective to fit a header to buffer against other (planned) mods. But don't go bolting on a set and expecting miracles.

You probably have the Load-o-matic distributor. I dislike this because it's designed to work with a stock motor in new-ish condition. Forty years after manufacture of the car, how many fit that criteria? I dislike add-on modules such as Crane, Pertronix, Optospark and others sell; they rely on function of the distributor being perfect otherwise (see prior remark)...

So - a more modern distributor is a Good Thing. A regular Ford Duraspark with a genuine GM HEI module and appropriate coil, will give plenty of spark and not cost a bomb. While the MSD or Crane Hi-6 are nice to have, for people to install one and then say how much better the car runs, makes me suspect they weren't in perfect tune before - and the new ignition is masking another condition.

Even if your car has the smaller distributor shaft it is easy to machine this aspect of a Duraspark distributor to suit. You need to also co-install another oil pump and pump drive shaft, so the oil pan comes off. No big deal but a good time to look at the bottom of your bores and inspect clearances. Remember that the "rebuilt" Duraspark you buy will probably be mis-curved and wrongly weighted...

At this point, you are free to play with the carb. Without pulling the head off, you'll be bound to work with a couple of different brand carb adapters, or a selection of slightly later year carbies. A smaller synchronous 2-barrel may work well in your instance with an adaptor. With a few years wear on a 170 and stock internals it's pretty much all over near 4000 RPM, so you don't need to worry about air requirements at 5500... It's more an issue of keeping the venturis sized right for good atomisation, and tailoring the fuel curve in conjunction with ignition to avoid flat spots or other mishaps.

Consider a couple of gauges to add: Fuel pressure between carb and pump, and manifold vacuum. These needn't cost a bundle, and will eliminate a whole lot of speculation! Timing chains stretch badly and simple renewal of the stock chain will often benefit the motor.

Unless compression test results are horrific I'd urge to leave the head alone and attached! You'll gain a few points of "oomph" by working through the above and it needn't cost the earth.

Regards, Adam.
 
I have a stock 200c.i. inline 6 and some of the people here can take you as far as you want to go when it comes to modifying yours!

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Your 170 will only have 4 main bearings instead of the 7 you get with all but the earliest 200's. The only bolt on performance I can think of would be NO2 or forced induction. Keep an eye out for a 66 or later 200 and see how long the 170 can take NO2 before she blows. You can always move the NO2 over to the 200.
 
If you've got a manual transmission, it's a 2.77 with non-synchro first gear. If you do much to the engine, you'll want to swap in a much tougher 3.03 transmission with a synchro first gear. See http://www.inlinepages.com/drivetrain/history.html for info on tranny swaps, it should be pretty much a bolt-in deal.

If/when you do, let me know, 'cause I may well want to take that 2.77 off your hands, mine is getting wimpy. (Unless by then I've already done the 3.03 swap myself)

Heck, if you want to swap to a bigger 200, let me know and I'll take the whole engine/manual tranny off your hands...

Also, according to http://falconperformance.sundog.net/facts.asp, in '66 the 170 got seven main bearings like the 200 did in '65.
 
8) jaymers, if you want another 170/2.77 combo, i have one in my falcon that if i get the 250/T5 combo swap done in my falcon, i can bring the other with me when i head back to the park, if you are interested.
 
rbohm":2sjq33vy said:
8) jaymers, if you want another 170/2.77 combo, i have one in my falcon that if i get the 250/T5 combo swap done in my falcon, i can bring the other with me when i head back to the park, if you are interested.
"back to the park"...are you driving from AZ to VA? Any idea when that would be? What shape are they in?

I'm starting to look at options, since my "100K miles since the 90K-mile rebuild" 170 has a lot of blowby, and the never-been-touched leaky 2.77's synchro is getting weak. A 200/3.03 upgrade would be my first choice, but a good deal on a 170/2.77 that are in really good shape would be a close second.
 
8) it will be in late march or early april when i head back. the engine has alot of blowby, but i think that is the result of a broken ring or two as the engine was rebuilt a few years ago. the trans is a good used one i found in a salvage yard here in tucson, as i broke the orignial trans.
 
Puter went down then went on vacation for a week. The old exhaust manifold has since come off and been resurfaced. The original exhaust is in good shape. Think the first order of business is to get that book that I saw on this site somewhere, and check out the options available.
 
BudLight":10zbhr0a said:
Puter went down then went on vacation for a week. The old exhaust manifold has since come off and been resurfaced. The original exhaust is in good shape. Think the first order of business is to get that book that I saw on this site somewhere, and check out the options available.

absolutely
 
Howdy Bud:

And welcome to the endless journey of straightness. You know you're accepted here when your topic gets hijacked in several different directions all at once.

My two cents-
*Read and reread the stickies at the top of this Forum. Especially about the Spark Control Valve in the carb and the Load-a-Matic distributor.
*Buy a Genuine Shop manual for your vehicle and study the carb and ignition sections thoroughly.
*FYI your '66 170 is most likely a 4 main bearing engine. The only 170 seven main engines I've ever heard of were D0DZ castings- and they are rare.
*Post the casting code for your head and block in your profile or signature so we will have detailed info to work with.
*If you block is a C6DE casting you will have the later style distributor hole/mount and oil pump/distributor driveshaft. Which means you can upgrade to a later distributor as per Adam's suggestion- IF that's what YOU want.
*From reading the above stickies you will know that your stock OEM carb and distributor are designed to work together. If you change one without the other you will have a mismatch- and less than optimum performance.
*Spend some time reading, studying, and planning before you decide to spend you money. Many options are available to you and there are opinions to match. Consider carefully what you want in the end.
*While studying and planning get to know your car and it's systems. Every 40 year old needs some cleaning, fixing and TLC. Working at getting the most out of what you have will help you to decide what you want and to understand why.

Click on the link in my signature for our website. There's some good info there too.

Enjoy the journey.

Adois, David
 
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