points to electronic for 223 question

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ok. i have a question.crane has a points to electronic coversion for ford v-8's that triggers off the points contact cam on the dizzy shaft.it's called XR-i. Now why wouldn't that work on like a points distributor for a 223 or our other oldie motors. Or is the points advance plate different sizes for the different motors and the module wouldn't bolt up.[/img]
 
The parts catalog I have says the points for the 49-53 V8 and the points for 49-64 I6 are the same part #7RA-12171. The V8 changes in 54 I imagine because the distributor changes for the OHV 272.
I used a pertronix ignitor for my 223, and after I got the proper amount of resistance to the points(3 ohms), have had no problems.
 
You can also adapt a later distributor to the motor. That potentially could let you run a DS-II or similar. Machine work could run double the cost of that module you're looking at.

My real dislike about the aftermarket ignitions like the Crane, Optospark, Pertronix etc is they all rely on the distributor being in perfect condition and the advance curve being correct. Often this is not the case.

It should work reasonably well, once the right part is determined and fitted, but don't have unrealistic expectations about its performance.

Regards, Adam.
 
could it be tha in 54 they went to a dual points setup? so then the points plate might be larger? Do all 240 dizzy's use the same oil pump drive?
 
I have a 240/300 dist. in my 223. I made a oil pump drive 1/4 in for the pump 5/16 for the dist. I change the gear to do this I had to rean the hole in the gear 223 gear to fit the 300 shaft. If your 223 is a 54 it should have 5/16 drive for the oil pump you may have to change the gear. My 223 gear had less teath then the 300 gear.
 
Running the Petronix IgnitorII & FlameThrower Coil with no problems. I aced the resistor and am getting the proper ohms to my coil. All workin' good.


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Crane uses an optically triggered system with an LED mounted to the breaker plate, and a shutter wheel mounted underneath the rotor.

A V8 kit will have 8 apertures in the shutter. You will need a shutter wheel with six apertures. I'm not sure that Crane makes one that will fit the 223's distributor shaft. They have a universal kit for Lucas & Prestolite distributors that comes with a variety of shutters & brackets but i wouldn't guarantee that any of them will fit your distributor without modification. I installed one of those on a Ford 8N tractor & may have some 6-cylinder shutter wheels left over. I'll try them on my spare 223 distributor to see if any of them work, then repost.

With the Crane system, you can use high-performance ignition coils and achieve much higher output voltages than breaker points will alow. They're also fairly reasonably priced.

The Pertronix "Ignitor-I" conversion for the original distributor is the easiest & least expensive option, but prohibits one from using more modern carburetors. The original "Load-O-Matic" distributor has vacuum advance only and is designed to be used with a combination of ported-manifold and venturi vacuum. A special "Spark Control Valve" on the carburetor controls how much of each vacuum source to apply to the distributor's advance unit. If you're satisfied with the original carburetor, Pertronix is the way to go, given the minimal effort involved. I'd keep a spare in the glovebox, though. If you leave the ignition switch ON, it can burn out an "Ignitor-I" module. The "Ignitor-II" doesn't have that problem, but I don't think there is a version to fit the 223 distributor.

A Pertronix "Ignitor-I" module also probably shouldn't be used with high-performance ignition coils. It requires a coil with 3 to 6 ohms (relying on memory here) of resistance like a stock ignition coil has, otherwise the unit may overheat and burn out

The increase in output voltage of a Pertronix "Ignitor-I" system isn't anything spectacular either, so don't expect to be able to increase the spark plug gaps by much.

One way around those two issues is to use the Pertronix module with some type of aftermarket ignition amplifier like an MSD-6A, between the Pertronix unit and the coil. That way, the Pertronix module only has to sink small currents. An MSD-6A will also drive a high performance ignition coil without any problem.

I did a DuraSpark conversion to get centrifugal advance in addition to vacuum advance, so that I could eventually ditch the old Autolite 1100 carburetor.

First, I had a machine shop put my old 223 gear on a 300 distributor. Then, I noticed that the 223 & 300 oil pump drive shafts were different. The 1963 & below 223/262 engines used a 1/4" hexagonal shaft to drive the oil pump, but the 300 distributor came with a 5/16" shaft that was also too long.

I could have had one end of the 300's 5/16" oil pump drive shaft machined down to 1/4" to fit my old oil pump, but elected to buy a new oil pump for a 1964 & up 223/262 engine (Melling #M67A). There also may have been a way to reuse the 1/4" shaft from the 223, but I didn't look into that. After all, they must have gone to larger shafts for a good reason, and I doubt that the new pump was much more expensive than having the 300's shaft machined smaller. Finally, I had to trim 3/4" from the end of the 300's oil pump drive shaft so that it would match the engagement depth of the old 223 distributor.

For an ignition amplifier, I used a GM 4-pin HEI module mounted on a big aluminum heat sink that I salvaged from an early Pentium-IV computer. The advantage of the GM module is that it's small, cheap, and easy to wire. To get higher output voltages, Ford TFI components (coil, cap, rotor, wires) can be used, and will perform nearly as well as any aftermarket components.

The thing I like best about the DuraSpark conversion is that replacement parts are practically laying in the street. Where do you get a failed Pertronix or Crane module in an emergency?

Anyway, I'm rambling.

If anyone has more questions, drop me a line at:

JimKoz(at)ComCast(dot)Net
 
I finally found my extra shutters from the Crane "universal" kit, part number 700-0231.

One of the 6-cylinder shutters fits the 223 distributor reasonable well. Three spring loaded tabs grip every other flat on the cam. The center hole in the shutter is a little too big, so the shutter isn't quite centered on the shaft, especially if the spring-loaded tabs don't grip the shaft with equal force.

I think it's worth a try. Let me know if you have any success.

Jim Kozisek
Fort Collins, CO
 
The spark control valve is not necessary in all applications. Ford did not start the spark control valve untill 1954. Vacuum only distributors started in 1949 (1948 on six cylinders). The '49-'53 flathead V8s are the best running of the stock flathead Ford V8s. If you run one carburetor, with venturi vacuum, you should be able to adjust the advance curve on the distributor with springs. It is only when you run more than one carburetor that you run into problems with venturi vacuum (but I do have a friend who ran 2 Ford/Holley two barrels with a readjusted distributor on a '50 V8 that ran fine).
 
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