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New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

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New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #1 by Johnsondawg » Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:16 am

I have not posted in quite a while but I have never stopped lurking in the background. Anyway, I have started a new project and wanted to seek out some advice here. As the title says, I have plans to change up the 200 I rebuilt ( Donated from a 68 Mustang ) a few years ago. Most of the hard parts have been gathered and we are getting ready to begin mocking this up. The EFI will be a Modified Ford setup. We are currently reworking a Ford F150 300 EFI harness and we will control it with a Mustang A9L or A9P ECU from a 5.0 Mustang. The harness will also be converted to Mass Air like the 89-93 Mustang. We are going to run the stock head and have the log head machined to use #24 injectors. The Supercharger is an Eaton M90 from a 2000 Pontiac. All of the harness work and tuning work is being done by a friend of mine who knows far more about that aspect of the project than i do. The current problem I'm working on is one that has been discussed many times here. Serpentine Belt Drive. I would love a one belt system but I don't see that happening unless someone knows a good way to convert a stock water pump to reverse rotation. Option 2 is dual serpentine belts- still not easy but ( i think ) doable. I also considered a combination setup running my Power steering off of a V belt and making a bolt on serpentine pulley for the crank that would drive the Supercharger and Alternator. In this configuration the Alternator would also serve as the belt tensioner for the serpentine side of the system. I currently have a Power steering pump mounted on homemade brackets but that is going to have to be changed because its mounted high and close to the engine which will be in the way of the supercharger snout. I recently found a junkyard power steering mount on a 82ish mustang (200cid) that should move the power steering pump out of the path of the supercharger snout. I have read a bunch of posts on serpentine conversions but they all seem to peter out without any definitive answers on how to get it done. I am open to any options that accomplish what I need which is to drive the supercharger, keep the power steering and if possible put the supercharger on the same plane with the alternator. This last part is because I have converted to a 3G alternator which was originally a serpentine Alternator. It works fine on a V belt but has that annoying squeal when you start it up. I will keep this updated as I go. If your interested, I have a few photos of parts and the Bronco on Coloradoclassicbroncos.com. Here is a link, it has a few photos and some information on the Thick Film ignition distributor I built for the project. http://www.coloradoclassicbroncos.com/v ... f=3&t=5667
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #2 by xctasy » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:48 am

It's all your choice, and I'm sure you'll succeed.

The old I6 has enough space for a much bigger blower, and a full F150 4.9 EFI serpentine drive, and the EDIS makes space which the stock distrubutor wastes. Look at Balldricks 1960 Falcon, and see how much room a distributor takes up. Shame to waste the potential for another 50 hp by going to a low rent EEC4 and stock Duraspark, and then a too small blower.


See this http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd15 ... GP5090.jpg ?

My advice is to Sell the M90, you'll get great money for it, and try get a Ford M112. The M90 is too small, its just 2.3 liters, and overheats. Use an F150 full serpentine drive, and make a reverse pump idler gear. 3G alternator bottom right, Mitsubishi Starion/ Triton/L200/ 2.6 Astron ii Power steering pump top left, blower bottom left, everything else stock F150.

Use a remote EWP water pump, and EDIS from a junked Explorer or Mustang or F150 with the 3.8 or 4.2 Essex 90 degree V6.

The OBDII sensors can be hooked up, but don't have to have hard connection to the car to remain functional and to allow an EEC5 to work.

The Aussie guys have been doing superchargers since the 90's too, and the stock GM and early Super Coupe 3.8 stuff is just too small.

Look at these on page 18 and 30 on http://www.fordmods.com/the-garage-f53/ ... 9-255.html, and and then be inspired...
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #3 by powerband » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:19 am

... very interested in your project. I'm assembling a low boost forced induction bolt-on setup for 170/200 with supercharger or turbocharger considered. Currently working logistics of an Eaton/Pontiac M62 SC,


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Post #4 by Johnsondawg » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:12 pm

xctasy wrote:It's all your choice, and I'm sure you'll succeed.

The old I6 has enough space for a much bigger blower, and a full F150 4.9 EFI serpentine drive, and the EDIS makes space which the stock distrubutor wastes. Look at Balldricks 1960 Falcon, and see how much room a distributor takes up. Shame to waste the potential for another 50 hp by going to a low rent EEC4 and stock Duraspark, and then a too small blower.


See this http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd15 ... GP5090.jpg ?

My advice is to Sell the M90, you'll get great money for it, and try get a Ford M112. The M90 is too small, its just 2.3 liters, and overheats. Use an F150 full serpentine drive, and make a reverse pump idler gear. 3G alternator bottom right, Mitsubishi Starion/ Triton/L200/ 2.6 Astron ii Power steering pump top left, blower bottom left, everything else stock F150.

Use a remote EWP water pump, and EDIS from a junked Explorer or Mustang or F150 with the 3.8 or 4.2 Essex 90 degree V6.

The OBDII sensors can be hooked up, but don't have to have hard connection to the car to remain functional and to allow an EEC5 to work.

The Aussie guys have been doing superchargers since the 90's too, and the stock GM and early Super Coupe 3.8 stuff is just too small.

Look at these on page 18 and 30 on http://www.fordmods.com/the-garage-f53/ ... 9-255.html, and and then be inspired...


Thanks for the info, Looks like there is a lot of reading in that thread. I like the 90 degree elbow on the back of that M112. The Down side is availability. The M90 is much more available. We may still go distributorless if needed. One thing to keep in mind is that This Bronco is a driver so reliability is a must. I am also wanting to use off the shelf parts as much as possible. I will do some more reading on the F150 serpentine. I was under the impression that that had been used on the big sixes but not on the small six. I'll do more reading on that.
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Post #5 by powerband » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:31 pm

Here's an Eaton SC on a US engine in a setup I'm emulating:

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considering a draw-through carb and got a 90 degree carb-turbo plenum to work with kinda' like this SC AMC six:

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Post #6 by Johnsondawg » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:08 pm

powerband wrote:Here's an Eaton SC on a US engine in a setup I'm emulating:

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considering a draw-through carb and got a 90 degree carb-turbo plenum to work with kinda' like this SC AMC six:

Image . Image

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I have seen that first photo before and its a clean setup. In my situation, the Supercharger needs to be much lower due to hood clearance issues. Also, that supercharger looks to be the Ford super coupe version of the M90 which is configured a bit different. On the GM version that I have, the snout is several inches longer and the throttle body actually comes straight out the back. To make it all fit, mine will be mounted on its side with a 90 degree elbow on the back which will point to the passenger side. I have been working on the relocation of the Power steering pump this evening and I think I have the solution for that figured out. Now I'm working on getting it to line up correctly. I'll get some photos up soon.
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Post #7 by xctasy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:40 pm

I understand the price/cost implications, but a too small blower will always cost more than a bigger blower to support. Even a 213 cubic inch 3/71 or 284 cubic inch 4/71 will make better power than a smaller Eaton. People package 371 and 471's into 2.3 Pinto and Vega engines all the time, they are easy to engineer, and blower plates to adjust the clearances abound in free measure, with excellent knowledge from the most lowly GMC two stroke marine engineer or old Petebone Hoe or Champion grader mechanic. GMC two stroke blowers are as American as apple pie, and practically helped win WW2 in the Pacific in boats and Genset generators and so forth.

The M62 can make 480 odd horsepower in a 12:1 compression ratio V-tec Endyn Honda 97 cubic inch, 1600 cc engine, but its only a 62 cubic inch blower, and its an air heater when cycled. When an option on certain Buick 3800's , it made 205 hp tops. The M90 made about 233 hp on GM3800's in 1996 onwards. An Ogura SC14 makes about 230 hp tops on a Buick 3800 with 85 cubic inches. An SC12, with 67 cubic inches made 150 hp on a 4AGE Toyota 1600. Are you seeing a pattern?

300 hp is where an M90 starts to flatline on a 200 or 250, even with a really good intercooler (aftercooler in proper US speak).

The loads its under are described by Broncitis http://s717.photobucket.com/user/bronci ... t=3&page=1
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and Balldrick.
See it here viewtopic.php?f=22&t=56560&p=482065#p482065

They are the best people to read up on. Broncitis is the M90 Bronco with Classic Inlines head, and Balldrick runs a 250, Classic Inlines headed M90 Supercharged Falcon. Each are wounderfull development guys, who have shown a huge amount of initiative.

But the M90 was at its limit on a 205 or 225 hp 3.8, and any 4.6 or 5.4 runs at least an M112, and even later screw blowers are even bigger to reduce heat build-up in 5.0 and 5.4 or 5.8 applications. There is a reason for 134 cubic inch blowers being the minimum for a 5 liter engine...heat soak, even with an aftercooler.


viewtopic.php?f=22&t=68366&p=524365#p524365
Broncitis wrote:Balldrick has put together the best m90 set up hands down period, this guys ride is as bad as it gets.


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Post #8 by Johnsondawg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:23 pm

xctasy wrote:Use an F150 full serpentine drive, and make a reverse pump idler gear. 3G alternator bottom right, Mitsubishi Starion/ Triton/L200/ 2.6 Astron ii Power steering pump top left, blower bottom left, everything else stock F150.



Just for clarification, Are you saying that the 300 six Crank pulley / Balancer fits on the 200 ? I was thinking that the crank snout of the 200 was slightly smaller than the 300. If the 300/ 4.9l crank pulley does not fit then what serpentine crank pulley does work with the F150 Serpentine? The inline Six F150's are pretty common in the junkyards near me so it would be nice if that can be made to work. Also, can you point me to any photos of the F150 serpentine installed on a 200?
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Post #9 by xctasy » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:47 pm

No pictures. I have 100 pages of my projects, and with a few exceptions I don't show my works in progress until after I've nutted them out. The F150 set up is a work in progress.

The US F150 300/4.9 system is best because the Aussie serpentine systems are designed for a Nissan style L28 side outlet water neck, which screws everything up for our US 200's. I hate everything about the Aussie set up because its not like the F150 trucks.

Yes, the 4.9/300 balancer is bigger but there is a common replacement pulley, and that's the 1994 EF Falcon item we use here. I think the US 250 is the same snout as the US 300, but all Aussie 250's are the same as the US 200's, and that's what we use.

The pulley I use is a custom modified item, but the six grove 1994-1997 EF Falcon pulley fits, that's what Balldrick used, and its common enough.And works with the F150 parts. The water pump to crank spacing, the perriferal ancillary spaceings can be adjusted, and a shorter belt used, but the F150 hardware is what you need.
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Post #10 by Johnsondawg » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:26 am

Ok, I figured there would be more to it than a simple bolt up conversion. I'll have to see if I can find a source for the falcon balancer over here. I was looking at it this evening and i believe that the simplest solution would be to make a bolt on serpentine pulley for the crank similar to the bolt on V belt pulleys. I would prefer a single belt serpentine but a bolt on setup allows me to pick the pulley size and that gives me more control over how fast I spin the supercharger.
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Post #11 by Johnsondawg » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:39 am

Is this the crank pulley that works on the 200?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON- ... a9f&_uhb=1
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Post #12 by xctasy » Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:23 am

Johnsondawg wrote:Is this the crank pulley that works on the 200?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON- ... a9f&_uhb=1


Yep :beer: :lol: :thumbup: :cool:

You saw Balldricks post, good work!

Its a good part and cheap.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=56560&p=482065#p482065

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WDoug72 wrote:Balldrick do you happen to have a part number for that balancer? If i can find one and the price is right, it may be worthwhile to ship to the states.

Gday mate, Try these http://rossperformanceparts.com/heavy_duty_harmonic_balancers.html# Its the one for EL falcon 4.0l. part.no-RB296HD. Also http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON-LATE-EF-and-EL-HARMONIC-BALANCER-NEW-/270108048031?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ee3b1ba9fandhttp://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Ford-Falcon-EF-EL-Fairlane-LTD-1432-/110737631616?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c87a2980 also someone in the Aussie 250 forum might be able to tell you if the latter model balancers will fit.As Ross make some good ones for performance and raceing.EF-EL balancer http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x180 ... mpaner.jpg


For a one wire 3G alternator, use a Taurus unit, and it has a six grove pulley already. Stock Fox or Maverick/monarch/Granada 3.3 monts dude. Then its just the M90, power steering, Davis Craig water pump and contoller and copying Broncitus set-up. The set-up is fun!

http://www.fordsix.com/forum/posting.ph ... 7&p=537724

JackFish wrote:I did the 3G swap. I posted here so there is a thread with info.
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Got most of my info from the four-eyed pride forum but there are a few sites out there with the info.
There are two sizes, and I found that if you have AC (I have a fox-body) you have to use the smaller 3g, and if not the larger one fits better.
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Post #13 by Econoline64 » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:46 pm

Johnsondawg wrote:Is this the crank pulley that works on the 200?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON- ... a9f&_uhb=1


Johnsondawg,

I tried to send you a PM about this. Maybe we can order a few and split the shipping from down under.

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Post #14 by Xargon321 » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:35 pm

i just asked for shipping quote from one of the ebay guys selling them and got told $80 aus (72.22 us) shipping im seeing if that just for one or if he could send more might see if he is interested in a group buy.

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Post #15 by Johnsondawg » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:47 pm

If we can get a few people interested, shipping costs should get better. One thing to consider is Customs fees, they can be significant and sellers don't always include the fees when they quote a shipping rate. If they don't, international shipments can show up with unexpected duty / brokerage fees that are charged by the shipping carrier. We just need to be sure we know what we are actually paying before we commit. If we can make it work for a reasonable cost I'm in for sure.
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Post #16 by Johnsondawg » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:10 am

xctasy wrote:
Johnsondawg wrote:Is this the crank pulley that works on the 200?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON- ... a9f&_uhb=1


Yep :beer: :lol: :thumbup: :cool:

You saw Balldricks post, good work!

Its a good part and cheap.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=56560&p=482065#p482065

balldrick wrote:
WDoug72 wrote:Balldrick do you happen to have a part number for that balancer? If i can find one and the price is right, it may be worthwhile to ship to the states.

Gday mate, Try these http://rossperformanceparts.com/heavy_duty_harmonic_balancers.html# Its the one for EL falcon 4.0l. part.no-RB296HD. Also http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON-LATE-EF-and-EL-HARMONIC-BALANCER-NEW-/270108048031?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ee3b1ba9fandhttp://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Ford-Falcon-EF-EL-Fairlane-LTD-1432-/110737631616?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c87a2980 also someone in the Aussie 250 forum might be able to tell you if the latter model balancers will fit.As Ross make some good ones for performance and raceing.EF-EL balancer http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x180 ... mpaner.jpg


For a one wire 3G alternator, use a Taurus unit, and it has a six grove pulley already. Stock Fox or Maverick/monarch/Granada 3.3 monts dude. Then its just the M90, power steering, Davis Craig water pump and contoller and copying Broncitus set-up. The set-up is fun!

http://www.fordsix.com/forum/posting.ph ... 7&p=537724

JackFish wrote:I did the 3G swap. I posted here so there is a thread with info.
Image
Got most of my info from the four-eyed pride forum but there are a few sites out there with the info.
There are two sizes, and I found that if you have AC (I have a fox-body) you have to use the smaller 3g, and if not the larger one fits better.


It would appear that I'm not the only one interested in a serpentine for the 200. Hopefully, we can get a "Mass Buy" of sorts together. Do you happen to know what the Diameter of the Falcon balancer is? If there is enough clearance between pulleys, it may be possible to keep the stock water pump by adding another idler pulley to the serpentine. I appreciate the lead on the balancer.

As for the 3G alternator, I have been running the Taurus 3G for about 4 years on my 200 and much longer on my other Bronco (5.8L,351w). Its a great upgrade!
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Post #17 by Johnsondawg » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:11 am

xctasy wrote:
Johnsondawg wrote:Is this the crank pulley that works on the 200?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON- ... a9f&_uhb=1


Yep :beer: :lol: :thumbup: :cool:

You saw Balldricks post, good work!

Its a good part and cheap.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=56560&p=482065#p482065

balldrick wrote:
WDoug72 wrote:Balldrick do you happen to have a part number for that balancer? If i can find one and the price is right, it may be worthwhile to ship to the states.

Gday mate, Try these http://rossperformanceparts.com/heavy_duty_harmonic_balancers.html# Its the one for EL falcon 4.0l. part.no-RB296HD. Also http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FORD-FALCON-LATE-EF-and-EL-HARMONIC-BALANCER-NEW-/270108048031?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ee3b1ba9fandhttp://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Harmonic-Balancer-Ford-Falcon-EF-EL-Fairlane-LTD-1432-/110737631616?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19c87a2980 also someone in the Aussie 250 forum might be able to tell you if the latter model balancers will fit.As Ross make some good ones for performance and raceing.EF-EL balancer http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x180 ... mpaner.jpg


For a one wire 3G alternator, use a Taurus unit, and it has a six grove pulley already. Stock Fox or Maverick/monarch/Granada 3.3 monts dude. Then its just the M90, power steering, Davis Craig water pump and contoller and copying Broncitus set-up. The set-up is fun!

http://www.fordsix.com/forum/posting.ph ... 7&p=537724

JackFish wrote:I did the 3G swap. I posted here so there is a thread with info.
Image
Got most of my info from the four-eyed pride forum but there are a few sites out there with the info.
There are two sizes, and I found that if you have AC (I have a fox-body) you have to use the smaller 3g, and if not the larger one fits better.


It would appear that I'm not the only one interested in a serpentine for the 200. Hopefully, we can get a "Mass Buy" of sorts together. Do you happen to know what the Diameter of the Falcon balancer is? If there is enough clearance between pulleys, it may be possible to keep the stock water pump by adding another idler pulley to the serpentine. I appreciate the lead on the balancer.

As for the 3G alternator, I have been running the Taurus 3G for about 4 years on my 200 and much longer on my other Bronco (5.8L,351w). Its a great upgrade!
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Post #18 by Xargon321 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:24 am

the damper is 6.85"

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x180 ... mpaner.jpg

oops i though you ment the serp balancer

the us dampers are 5 3/4 for the pre 78 ones and 6 1/4 for the 78+

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Post #19 by Xargon321 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:54 am

ok he got back with me about shipping 140 Aus for 2 he can send up to 4 in one package. maybe one of our aus friends could do a cheaper deal?

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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #20 by Johnsondawg » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:08 am

Xargon321 wrote:ok he got back with me about shipping 140 Aus for 2 he can send up to 4 in one package. maybe one of our aus friends could do a cheaper deal?


I did some searching and found that the OEM part number for the balancer is EHC6316A the part number listed on Ebay for Power Bond Harmonic Balancers is HB1432-N. Hopefully, we can get a few more people interested to get the costs down a bit more. I'll try to do some more searching after work tomorrow.
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #21 by Johnsondawg » Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:30 am

This might be a long shot but this balancer from a lincoln navigator has the same size crank shaft bore as the 200.

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detai ... &ppt=C0332

I think the Outside diameter is larger but that could be machined down pretty easy.
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #22 by Xargon321 » Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:34 am

i think we should just see if we can get, the aus ones they are know to fit without messing around with anything else. i would imagine if the nose was not machines right it would start tearing up seals like no tomorrow.

also i went and checked my car just fount out that i cant fit my finger between the crank and the water pump pulley so might not be able to use the aus one anyway

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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #23 by Johnsondawg » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:09 am

Xargon321 wrote:i think we should just see if we can get, the aus ones they are know to fit without messing around with anything else. i would imagine if the nose was not machines right it would start tearing up seals like no tomorrow.

also i went and checked my car just fount out that i cant fit my finger between the crank and the water pump pulley so might not be able to use the aus one anyway


The Falcon balancer will almost certainly require using an electric water pump. The water pump pulley and the crank pulley are so close together the larger crank pulley will not leave any room for the water pump pulley. If you used a smaller pulley on the water pump to make clearance, I think it could cause cooling issues.
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Post #24 by Xargon321 » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:51 pm

well i called Azcoupe and he said he is working it again. so maybe here soon we will see the balancer for sale!

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Post #25 by Econoline64 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:35 pm

Xargon321 wrote:well i called Azcoupe and he said he is working it again. so maybe here soon we will see the balancer for sale!


I ordered one of the AUSSIE versions off of ebay the other day. I'm not waiting on Mike.
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Post #26 by Johnsondawg » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:25 pm

Econoline64 wrote:
Xargon321 wrote:well i called Azcoupe and he said he is working it again. so maybe here soon we will see the balancer for sale!


I ordered one of the AUSSIE versions off of ebay the other day. I'm not waiting on Mike.


Are you planning to run an electric water pump or are you going to try to run a smaller pulley on the current water pump? I was thinking of trying it with a smaller water pump pulley. It will significantly increase the speed at which the water pump turns and I'm not sure if that would cause any issues with keeping things cool. I'm very interested in what you do. How long is it going to take to get the balancer?
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #27 by chad » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:04 am

"...66 Bronco with a 170 ( soon to have a 200)..."
Still a 'Flying Brick' - what they named my '86 Wolwo 240.

When you succeed it will fly for real. No more dawg, Johnson!

Anybody know at what point his water pump would begin cavitation?
What's stock? 4 inches? If he reduced to 3.75 inches?
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #28 by Johnsondawg » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:46 pm

chad wrote:"...66 Bronco with a 170 ( soon to have a 200)..."
Still a 'Flying Brick' - what they named my '86 Wolwo 240.

When you succeed it will fly for real. No more dawg, Johnson!

Anybody know at what point his water pump would begin cavitation?
What's stock? 4 inches? If he reduced to 3.75 inches?


Stock is about 5.5", I was figuring that I would need to step down to 4" or so. I found a mazda truck in the junkyard today that has a serpentine layout that would work for what I'm doing. The brackets will not bolt up but I can copy the belt configuration. I have actually been running the 200 for a while, I just need to give it a little kick in the butt with the M90.
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #29 by Xargon321 » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:07 am

i think moving down to a 5" would be plenty. it can be close its just cant touch. i know my damper that i have now is 6.25" so the falcon damper would only be .60 inches bigger and it you laid it on top of mine it would only stick out over it by .30 around the edge so a 1/2 inch down size would be plenty.

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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #30 by chad » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:09 am

one of the most difficult jobs, I think, is laying out the front of an engine when making changes. I'm not a engineer, never mind a mechanic (read: need all the help possible), but have heard there is a (several?) computer programs that help. With it you can lay out variations so all the accessories and drives fit and have the right tension. I have "2 plains of depth" (only 6 'shivs") to figure out as well, complicating matters further...

Any 1 know where to find such apps?
sure B nice, eh?
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Post #31 by woodbutcher » Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:50 pm

:hmmm: Chad.Check out Cnet.com.They are a"clearing house" so to speak for just about any type of software you can imagine.Free and pay for.Have used them for years.Very happy with the results.Time for you to haul out the electric heated long johns. :rolflmao:
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Post #32 by chad » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:54 pm

it aint happenin there (cnet) Leo, 'sfar as I can tell anyway.
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #33 by woodbutcher » Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:34 pm

:D Hi Chet.Keep digging.They have thousands of software programs.Type in what you are looking for in the search box at the top right side of the page.Start with"graphic design free".
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Post #34 by xctasy » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:38 am

Keep an eye on the key facts...the serpentine system is able to work with any remote water pump...the water pump can be an idler gear, and the balancer as big as you please, and the f150 or Taurus 3G alternator held by any kind of bracket, the A/C PUMP ANY KIND, THE ALTERNATOR OR POWER STEERING PULLEYS CAN BE INTERCHANGED AND DOWN SIZED...


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Post #35 by Broncitis » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:13 pm

I know Mike likes to profile this build and he should, but this guy totally screwed mike and myself, I sent him a cam I had profiled by bullet cams and helped him with the professional products fuel injection and Mike supplied the head and intake and he put the screws to both of us, very sad, he was suppose to help Mike with the restrictor plate for the top of the efi which we helped him develop for Mikes products and guess what, I spent hours with this guy for a good screwing.
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #36 by chad » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:50 pm

that turquoise bronk dont need no hood scoop w/a 3 inch BL?
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Post #37 by xctasy » Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:41 am

No, no space issues.

See the stock 4.9 set up. It allows you to swap the locations of the accessories, and place the M62, 90 or 112 Eaton drivers side.

http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs ... 0723c9.gif


See viewtopic.php?f=1&t=67303&p=546802#p546802 for the 300 EFI serpentine drive photo's.
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #38 by chad » Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:52 am

Thanks Johnsondawg for showin where yer goin, relating the bumpy points. It's come around to issues I face on totally different project. Allowed others to share about work-a-rounds.
One of the great things about the site!
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Post #39 by xctasy » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:47 am

First, the "Serpentine Belt Tensioner"
Ford PN's are E7TZ 6B209 H and F4TZ 6B209 AA

Aftermarket Replacement make one under AM-33074171 "Serpentine Belt Tensioner" for Ford E150 E250 E350 F150 F250 Bronco L6 4.9L (Y or Z code, 1987-1996, and 1997 for some F250's)


Second, the 4.9 EFI and serpentine parts dovetail with the 200 and 250 six. For instance, the 3.3/200 is has a crank to head surface depth of approx 7.803 verses 9.80, about 2 inches lower than the 240/300, and the small six oil pump and sump isn't a pinch point like the 240/300 is. There is the lack of girth with a 3.3/200, is only a little over 9" wide, not almost 12" like the US small six 250 and 240/300 Big Six are.

The parts allow you to customise the whole set up back to the factory Y and Z code 170 hp net set up. One you have fuel and space, you then can boost the set up using FoMoCo's best engineered engine ever, the 87 to 97 Fuelie Big Six.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=67303

xctasy wrote:One set up that trumps all others for the 250 is the adaption of the EFI 4.9 serpentine drive.All power options with room for headers,air pump, a/c, p/s, tensioner and no water pump, just and idler where a reverse water pump might have been.

http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs ... 0723c9.gif

On f150forum.com, the EFI set up comprises just a passenger side low mount air pump, then 3G alternator, tensioner, drivers side Ps and an A/C unit which was optional. There is a common EF and EL Falcon balancer which allows the whole set up to blend into a US 200, or the stock 4.9 balancer for the 250.

The pictures are from page 3 and 4 of the above forum

http://www.f150forum.com/f13/fuel-injec ... 11/index3/

http://www.f150forum.com/f13/fuel-injec ... 11/index4/


The water pump can be eliminated, and replaced with an EWP Davis Craig set up, and an idler gear added where the water pump was. Balldrick, CYCO250 from Xford forums, and our and73greenmachine have done it.

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Takes a bit of nutting out, but the parts are perfect for our small sixes as well as the 240/300

The other thing is that the 250 Classic Inlines engine and head combination 73GreenMachine has made is perfect for an F150 4.9 EFI throttle body, eliminating the hood clearance issues all the 250 engines have in cars with shallows hoods (especially the Mustang 68-73 X-shells and Fox body Fords).

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The serpentine drive would be the icing on the cake. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Post #40 by chad » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:25 pm

interesting... 2 much modification (cost, time) for me right now, but THAT would B 1 way to get an ele fan in 8^0...
(supposed to B a joke, sorry).
ele WP, ele fan, all the monitors/controllers/wires/etc, idler & tensioner, serpentine belt
I think I could bring in my "on board air" & 200 amp alternator at that point. They recommend NOT hard mounting the pump. Hope it (& the rest) would survive the 'bump'n grind' of log skiddin I do round here! Hate to hafta walk out/back in w/tools due to a break down...

Thanks for lettin me jack ur thread, Johnson.... I think I remember when U found that rig in some sorta mill in the desert?

Where are U with the build NOW?
Doesn't seem like it will B an off roader, eh?
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Post #41 by xctasy » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:25 am

All the parts I speak of have had millons of dollars of development, and are reliable. I think an attempt was made to sue Davis Craig over the EWP, but that was more over fitting instructions. The Aussie EF/EL balancer, 4.9 Fuelie six truck serpentine drive and EWP would probably survive a nuclear attack. The EECIV may not, but the EFI unit and ECM are the best around, and again, Ford did the development, so they are bomb proof.
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Post #42 by xctasy » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:15 pm

Johnsondawg, I think you'll ace your single belt serpentine belt drive set up by your own efforts.


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Johnsondawg wrote:....The EFI will be a Modified Ford setup. We are currently reworking a Ford F150 300 EFI harness and we will control it with a Mustang A9L or A9P ECU from a 5.0 Mustang. The harness will also be converted to Mass Air like the 89-93 Mustang. We are going to run the stock head and have the log head machined to use #24 injectors. The Supercharger is an Eaton M90 from a 2000 Pontiac. All of the harness work and tuning work is being done by a friend of mine who knows far more about that aspect of the project than i do.....


How are you mounting them.

45 degrees from horizontal like this from drag-200stang

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or 90 degrees from horizontal like this from XFlow_Fairlane

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Post #43 by xctasy » Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:40 am

chad wrote:interesting... 2 much modification (cost, time) for me right now, but THAT would B 1 way to get an ele fan in 8^0...
(supposed to B a joke, sorry).
ele WP, ele fan, all the monitors/controllers/wires/etc, idler & tensioner, serpentine belt
I think I could bring in my "on board air" & 200 amp alternator at that point. They recommend NOT hard mounting the pump. Hope it (& the rest) would survive the 'bump'n grind' of log skiddin I do round here! Hate to hafta walk out/back in w/tools due to a break down...

Thanks for lettin me jack ur thread, Johnson.... I think I remember when U found that rig in some sorta mill in the desert?

Where are U with the build NOW?
Doesn't seem like it will B an off roader, eh?


There is virtually no work in Log EFI conversion if you wanna be cheap!.


There are Three methods.


The Innovation is 100% American! Or perhaps Belgian people from Ghent

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Method 1. You can use a Transco 2-bbl to 1-bbl adapter, and run a 2-bbl EFI 4.9 throttle body on top, with just enough room for 6 injectors using drag-200stang or xflow Fairlane's method of injector mounting. Fiddle with fuel pressure and injector sizing, and do a DurasparkII to Ford TFI or GM HEI control unit conversion, and your ready to go.

For me, its Method 2. Lincs200 and xflow Fairlane's combined. When Lincs 200 came up with a Sidewinder external ducting to the out log like this,

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I knew I could put a 2-bbl on the log and get it flowing well enough for port EFI. You can't direct mount it like the traditional direct mount Small Ford Six log because it gets in the way of the injectors. You can direct mount it the conventional V8 2-bbl way, and run a secondary manifold Lincs 200 style under the outside. Here's how I did mine.

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Method 3 is to add the 4.9 Big six EFI intake to the log head lower, using AK Millers system

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The Speed Density 87-96 EECIV computers are very adaptable to the 200 six if you use the right adaptor, and so is the common as mud 87 to 96 F150 4.9 EFI Big Six 2-bbl 1.85 Motorcraft throttle body. Its just a 2100 Autolite/2150Motorcraft/Holley 2300 2-bbl base with some jiggery trickery added.

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http://www.bigblocksix.com/Eddie/injectorswap/

I'm using a totally stock looking set up with the T/B/X code stock air cleaner, but a split 280ZX L28 or 300ZX VE30 style fuel rail, 12 pound injectors, F2 code 4.9 F150 throttle body, and a special Lincs 200 style outer adapter.
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Post #44 by gb500 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:26 am

what size (dia) are those f150 throttle bodies ?

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Post #45 by xctasy » Wed Jun 18, 2014 10:22 am

gb500 wrote:what size (dia) are those f150 throttle bodies ?


1. The factory 87-96 I6 Twin Valve ones are quite small, dual 1.85 inches, or 47 mm's. Its equivalent to a stock single 2.62 inch/66.6 mm throttle body, and better in equivalent size to what Ford used in earlier sedan, specialty coupe or small SUV 4.0 SOHC or, 4.2V6 or 5.0. It matched the Ford Explorer 1996-98 4.0SOHC/5.0L, which was 65mm single for 205 to 225 hp. The Fuel Injection versions of the 4.9 Big Six, 5.0/5.8/7.5 Big Block used some big mutha junker twin throttle bodies. The passenger 5.0 car motors didn't have the dual throttle bodies.

2. In Aussie F150 trucks after they killed the 216 hp 4-bbl Cleveland 5.8 in 1985, you 'll see the bank fire, speed density 195 hp 5.0 with twin throttle body. This may have been what George used in his Turbo X-FLOW Cortina.

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The other 1986 to 1997 truck 5.0/5.8's tb's are different to the 4.9 EFI I6, bored out about 150 thou to twin 2.00-2.05 inch or 51-52 mm, but the runners on all those Windsor small block trucks are huge and can take aftermarket 56 mm throttle bodies without even trying. The stock twin 5.0/5.8 throttle bodies are equivalent to a single 2.83 inch/72mm throttle body. Even though the E series vans with next to no internal engine bay space got these big a$$ twin valve throttle bodies, as all the F and E trucks Ford's trucks had fewer height related space limitations than unlike the Ranger/Explorer/Falcon/Mustang Fox body Windsors.


3. There is a factory 2.25" twin throttle body ( 58 mm) for 03 Cobras and V10's, but its lower, and not so friendly to fit. http://untamnd.com/grams/tb. Suppliers like BBK Power-Plus make even bigger stuff in the dual 2.21/2.40/2.76 inch (56/61 and 70 mm) range.
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Re: New project Eaton M90 and EFI on my early Bronco 200

Post #46 by xctasy » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:54 pm

No one likes the early twin throttle body F and E series stuff because it was 9 times out of 10 Speed Density. The exceptions were the 1996 OBDII's, and 1994 on Cali F's and E's. Those asside, they were SD systems. Seams like everyone likes hotwire MAF sensor bits, its so much easier, but the SD stuff sure is cheap, and you can down grade its fuel delivery specs easily to suit a 200 or 250 small six.

There never was more trucks sold than F150's. You can't hide a single throttle body and MAF sensor in a stock I6 air cleaner like you can with the Big Six 4.9 stuff.


If you want to go crazy, you can use Method 3 to make up a tube intake log adapter like Peter Knott's 170 Roundbody Falcon's 280 hp cross over intake upper manifold.

Getting back to what you can do with a few tubes and some knowledge, Paul Knott is getting an E38 style 280 hp at as low as 6500 rpm from just 170 cubes in his 62XK Falcon.
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See http://www.fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70764


Its a blend of 4.9 EFI and Weber DCOE 45's. On Fordtruckfanatics.com, johny89 is from Koekelare in Belgium. That place on innovation again...His F150 Big Six with CA 300 on LPG shows how the twin throttle body and EFI plenum gives space for everything including a supercharger. http://www.fordtruckfanatics.com/forum/ ... hp?t=34150

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Replace the M90 where the Impco CA 300 air cleaner is.

Its a little like the Army of Six "My mega squirt install" Mar 02, 2009 EFI 240 update. viewtopic.php?p=430533 In the instance of EFI-ing a little 200 log six, you add a custom new lower part to the log, rather than a new custom upper EFI part. You can use the stock 4.9 EFI upper as is. The Big Six has inlet 1 and Inlet 6 22.40 inches apart, while the Small six has differential pitching of the inlets, and inlet 1 and Inlet 6 on the log head are about 18.70 inches apart. So the outers need to be brought down to the log head spacings by about 1.85 inches (the difference 22.40-18.70, divided by two) each side on the outer inlets. Or you just do an Ak Miller http://www.classicinlines.com/HA1.asp and add four pipes by braising, then perhaps two extra sidewinders to the outer welsh plugs on the log. The log intakes vary from 21.25 to 21.85" long, and a 22.4 inch spacing 4.9 EFI manifold would then fit with ease, each of the six pipes would then line up with the upper intake with the utmost simplicity.

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A 50% drop in capacity from 300 cubes to 200 isn't a major,when you can control injector size and fuel pressure. SD EFI gets screwed up when the pulse timings are out of sequence, so you'll only have to run the stock 110 degree lob centers that the 240 and 300 268 degree cam did, and then fiddle with the fuel delivery pressure and/or injector sizes to suit.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/10360 ... ers-8.html

For big 250 engines, you can go up on lobe center to 112, up on lift to about 500 thou, go up on cam intensity and thus up on duration to about 210 at 50 thou, and it should still run nice. For a 200, you'll have to stay back to 260 to 268 degrees at lash, and less than 205 deg at 50 thou. Stock 110 lobe centers should be okay. Lift gets risky over 450 thou without valve gear mods.

http://www.fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &view=next

You can go up in lift and duration, and change cam retard and advance as long as you don't hit the cam casting with the conrods.
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