Holley/Weber 32/36 Jetting Tips

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So I've been running my DGEV for a few weeks and am really happy with it except I can't get the idle set very well. It takes a long time before it run fairly decent. My current jets are:

Primary Main Jet 160
Secondary Main Jet 165
Primary Air Corrector Jet 185
Secondary Air Corrector Jet 170
Primary Idle Jet 075
Secondary Idle Jet 065

I have a `70 200 with DSII and MSD. Stock cam and exhaust manifold. When I go through the procedure to adjust for lean best idle, I have to have the mixture screw out 4 turns before it runs well. It won't even run at 2 turns. It says that if you have to do more than 2-1/2 turns then your idle jet is too lean. 075 seems like the top end of all the settings in this post so I don't get it.

I have a rebuild kit to install as soon as my Haynes book arrives so I'll see how it runs after that too. Maybe a good cleaning and some new parts will take care of it.
 
Are you saying that it idles well with the idle screw out 4 turns?
If that is the case then it doesn't surprise me. The primary on that carb is quite small, and designed to be economical for 4 cylinders. At least, that's the way I figure it. :?
I wonder how big the jet is on a Holley 1946? I should know :oops:
 
Well...I'm not sure if I would say it runs well but as well as I can get it at this point. I was just saying that what I got from the previous posts was that a person should change out the jets to try and get within the stated range of adjustments.

They do make an 080 idle jet but I wonder if I go with that, how many turns of the idle mixture screw will it decrease? Comments are welcome but I'll see what happens when my manual arrives and I can get the rebuild kit in.
 
Kenny,

From reading the above plus the Haynes and Weber books, I gather that the idle jet's main influence is on the progression circuit, which is the slot in the bore just above the idle discharge port. So if the progression circuit is ok, then unless your idle settings are way out of whack (like the mix screw 6+ turns out, or having to screw in the idle screw so far that the throttle blade uncovers the progression slot) then your idle jet is ok.

Mine was REALLY bucking/surging in low gear just above idle (like in a parking lot in 1st gear) with a 65 idle jet (and 4 turns out), it was better but still doing it with a 75 (and 3.25 turns out), and last night I put in an 80 (at 2.25 turns out) and I think it's just about dead on - an 85 might be perfect, but I'm not going to worry about finding one.

Sure looks like a stock 200 for some reason wants a bigger idle jet than a modded 200 - which seems backwards, but go figure...

Now I'm going to a leaner 150 main jet to try and squeeze all the mileage I can out of it.
 
I 've been participating in the 5200 Jetting discussion, 5200 on Stovebolt adapter into built 250 head on 17o, headers, etc...

I screwed with a clean rebuilt 5200 for months changing jets and float level, checking passages and throttle plate synch and could make the bad stumble - worse but not better. I consulted with some "pro's " and got conflicting advice. Finally I bought a second "brand new" NOS carb that was spec'ed for a 2.8 (170 cid) V6 Capri. The "new" carb was corroded and had shelf rash bad - so I put all jets into the clean rebuilt carb on the car. . There was no improvement and the stumble was worse than ever. (Jet sizing in previous posts)

So, I bought a clean 2300-7448 and want to try it out. ----- Before switching to the 2300 I decided to clean the corroded V6 carb the best I could and put jets back in it , plop it on the engine to finish the 5200 experiment.

I put jets in, switched carb on the car and result was immediate. The V6 corroded carb runs FRICKEN great!..! . Same jets - same car - I still can't pin down what problem is with the clean rebuilt I first tried . The car idles smooth, accelerates evenly until you pass into secondary, then it picks up with no stumble even if punching it WOT. WOT produces a quick wind through 3K as the 170 still pulls up towards 5K RPM. THe extended powerband is evident and the work on the head/valvetrain/exhaust is worth it.

Thanks everyone in this discussion for building up the knowledge base for those that determine they can make it work.

Powerband

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Powerband - what jets are in there now?

I've noticed odd little differences among the bodies of various 32/36 Webers, which your experience supports:

Some have two brass "nipples" (calibrated passages) between the carb top and bottom on both primary and secondary sides, some only have then on one side or the other.

Some have high-speed pullovers (fuel outlet above the main venturi) on both sides, some only have them on the secondary side.

SO: If you're in the market for one of these carbs, do like Powerband did and get one spec'ed for an engine as close to yours as possible. Then I'd suggest using the jettnig info in the first post of this thread as your starting point if you need to make any changes.
 
Here's the jets sizing from earlier post:

I posted previously that I obtained a brand new - old stock 5200 spec'ed for use by a 170CID (Capri 2.8 V6). I opened it up to see what what size jets it has.
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Primary / Secondary
Idle Jets - 65 / 50

Air Bleeds - 190 / 180

Mains - 171 / 477 (Yes that's right 477) I guaged the 477 to @ .071" .

The '477' jet appears to be the on the largest end of the scale available and physically is much larger than any I've seen. There is some confusion (on my part) because there was a change from 'flow rate' to diameter in mm. and can be mixed.

This is currently as mentioned on a "worked" 250 head with 48CC chambers, Milled .070 and using an OEM steel shim for a CR of @ 9.5:1 on a completely stock - low miles, 71 Maverick 170. I built the head to be used on a 250 I'm working on for final assembly. Obviously the 250 will need more air and I want to at least start the 250 tuning with a known intake setup before maybe adding more .


Powerband
 
:D Just re-jetted my H/W5200.

Got the jets thru ALFA1750 on eBay. $1.95 each, $4.95 S&H delivered in 2 weeks from Italy.

Started with '66 Mustang coupe, 200ci, E0 head, DS-II, CSC 264/274 110* Cam, no headers yet.

Ordered H/W carb from Stovebolt. It came with the following jets:

Main Jet...........Primary 135......Secondary 132
Air Corrector....Primary 185......Secondary 135
Idle Jet............Primary 80.........Secondary 50

It ran as expected. Horrible idle, hesitated, stumbled, etc...

I rejetted initially based on Stang200's jets listed above. Tweaked around, got pretty discouraged by the lack of improvement. When all else fails, read the instruction. The Datsun2000 weber tuning methodology linked in Jamyers post worked great. It's still a work in progress and I will continue to tweak away. But, I am very happy with where the engine is now.

These are the jets I have at this point:

Main Jet...........Primary 165......Secondary 160
Air Corrector....Primary 190......Secondary 180
Idle Jet............Primary 80........Secondary 65

Very happy with the improvement. No hesitation. Idle is stronger than I expected I would get the my 110* cam, idle volume out 1.5 turns and speed screw out only 1.5 turns. May need one size larger primary idle jet, but 80 was the largest I ordered. :roll:

Test drive was amazing. :D Actually peeled out from a stop light, instead of stumbling to get up to speed. Engine continued to pull through entire rpm range. I'll need more time to perfect the jets and explore different size combo's.

Thanks to all for the great tech info and baseline numbers.
 
Jackfish, auto with stock converter.

I am going to try and tune further. I couldn't have stumbled across the best combo, I'm not that lucky.

Powerband, That 477 main secondary jet, if it measured out to .071" then that equates to a 180 size jet (1.80mm).

I have one of those, I'll give it a try.
 
Redfalken":2ayc0y69 said:
When I go through the procedure to adjust for lean best idle, I have to have the mixture screw out 4 turns before it runs well. It won't even run at 2 turns. It says that if you have to do more than 2-1/2 turns then your idle jet is too lean. 075 seems like the top end of all the settings in this post so I don't get it.

It's been awhile since this post but I think I get it now. The reason I had to turn the mixture screw out 4 turns was because I had a huge vacuum leak. The gasket that came with the Stovebolt adaptor has slotted holes and the bottom of the Weber 32/36 that is supposed to press against it to create a seal around each of the 4 bolt holes goes right over them. The photo below has been enhanced to show where this leak occurs on the Stovebolt gasket (right) vs. a Weber gasket (left). The Weber gasket makes a complete seal around the bolt which means no vacuum leaks, allowing me to lean the mixture.

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I kept hearing a whistling sound so I took a piece of hose, held one end to my ear (like a stethescope) and started moving it around the adaptor while the engine was running until I could pinpoint that the leak was around each bolt.

So...if you're using the gasket that came with your Stovebolt adaptor, I would check for leaks before settling on which jets to use or even attempting to adjust for lean best idle.

The Weber gasket was available at a local parts store. There were 2 in the package for $6. I'm just wondering if anyone else running a Weber 32/36 DGV on a Stovebolt adaptor is having this same leak???
 
Hi,

Can I please ask a question I have related to this?

I pulled my H/W 5200 apart over the weekend to determine which jets I received from Tom at Stovebolt. I had discussed with Tom prior to buying my carb what my application is: a 250 with a header - otherwise it's stock - so far!

Here's what I found:
Primary Air Corrector 180
Secondary Air Corrector 195

Based on what I've read on this post, I swapped the Air Corrector Jets, one for the other.

My question is related to the Main Jets. They are both marked "259".

Can someone translate this for me to a jet size?

Thanks in advance!
BaldEagleMav
 
From http://fordsix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8106

Chart 1:
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Chart 2:
The jet sizes for Holley Webers are:-

103 cc/min=105 microns, or 41.34 thou
128 cc/min=110 microns, or 43.31 thou
152 cc/min=115 microns, or 45.28 thou
178 cc/min=120 microns, or 47.24 thou
201 cc/min=125 microns, or 49.21 thou
225 cc/min=130 microns, or 51.18 thou
251 cc/min=135 microns, or 53.15 thou
275 cc/min=140 microns, or 55.12 thou
298 cc/min=145 microns, or 57.09 thou
325 cc/min=150 microns, or 59.06 thou
346 cc/min=155 microns, or 61.02 thou
375 cc/min=160 microns, or 62.99 thou
400 cc/min=165 microns, or 64.96 thou
425 cc/min=170 microns, or 66.93 thou
450 cc/min=175 microns, or 68.90 thou
475 cc/min=180 microns, or 70.87 thou
525 cc/min=185 microns, or 72.83 thou

My bet is that 259 is close to a 251 cc/min, or a 135 micron or 51 thou jet.

Our pre-emission 102 hp Pinto engined Fords ran jet sizes like that.
 
hey guys new to forum starting build of a 60 rnchero w 200 six i am adding clifford 6-2 header and am starting to go grind on my exhaust ports to match headers clean them up a little my question is for ease of main., inst., fuel mileage which carb is best for me? I DON"T MIND A MAN> CHOKE IF THIS IS SIMPLER ALSO LOOKING FOR AIR SHOCK ADVICE TOO> THANKS SORRY FOR THE CAP> SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED TO MY KEYBOARD>
 
Has anyone figured out the best jetting combo for a 38DGES on the 200 yet?

Mine is running pretty good now, but I think it could still be better. The wierd thing is I am running the stock idle jets that came with it...45's.

Doesn't that seem too low?
 
My questions will be very elementay as to what I have read in this forum already. My 1st question is what years of a vehicle can I get one of these carbs from (Pinto I suspect) and also are these the same carbs that Clifford is selling for $500 bucks?? I have emailed Clifford to see if they sell the linkage seperate from the Carb but I am sure that you guys have already done that. thanks for any insight. I am currently building a 65 Mustang 200 ci. that I hope to build into a GM small block killer. Next is a 1969 Dodge Dart slant six. Just gotta be different!!!
 
Thought I would share my recent experience swapping a Holley 5200 for a Weber DFEV:
1. The main difference that I see between the two is that the 5200 has a double auxillary booster venturi, while the DFEV has a single 3.5 mm booster.
This is the only thing that looks like it would affect the flow. It looks like the DFEV booster could be swapped onto the 5200.
2. The 5200 also has small hole at the top of the air horn that I believe is an idle air bleed. The DFEV has a boss for this, but it is not drilled. My 5200 had an 80 idle jet vs. a 45 for the DFEV.
So if you are having to use a huge idle jet on a 5200, you might want to try putting a little RTV sealant over the hole and use a smaller jet.
3. With the 5200 I measured 4.5" of vacuum at full throttle at around 5000 RPM. With the DFEV, this dropped all the way to 1 or 1.5. I was measuring this with a MitiVac, which isn't too accurate at low vacuum levels.
This is much more of an improvement than I expected from the quoted 270 & 320 CFM flow rates for the 5200 and DFEV. So I wonder if I was really getting the 270 out of the 5200. The mid range and top end power is much better. I don't think there is much to be gained with a larger carb, at least not with my C4 trans that won't go above 5000 RPM.
4. Both carbs idled the best with 3/4 turn opening on the secondary throttle. This gives me an idle of about 800RPM in drive, and 1 1/2 turns on the primary idle speed. If I went over 1 1/2 turns on the primary idle speed setting, I got a stumble coming off idle. The adjustment for the secondary speed setting is on the bottom of the carb, but I made an L-shaped screwdriver out of a hex wrench, and I can adjust it with the carb on. You can also try putting a feeler gauge between the stops, to at least see how it works at idle.
5. With the secondary open 3/4 turn at idle, the secondary idle jet has a considerable affect on the idle. I swapped the secondary idle jets until the optimum primary mixture adjustment was 1 1/4 turns.
6. I set the primary idle jet as lean as I could go without getting a stumble off idle.
7. I set the primary main jet as lean as I could go without getting flat spots at part throttle.
8. I set the secondary main jet for best power at full throttle. This was by feel, don't know if this is right on yet.
9. With the stock jetting, the DFEV had a bog at secondary opening, similar to what others have described on this thread. The DFEV tuning kit comes with a double squirter jet (default is single into the primary only).
I tried this hoping to remove the bog, but it didn't help. The secondary squirter just sprays at the same time as the primary, it doesn't shoot more fuel in as the secondary opens, as it would with a Holley double pumper.
10. What seems to help the bog at secondary opening is to have the secondary throttle stop set to 3/4 turn open. I found this out just by luck, when tuning the idle. Now it only bogs if I gun it with a cold engine.
11. The DFEV's primary and secondary use different emulsion tubes. The primary's tube has more and larger holes in it which bleed more air in. That is probably why they use similar main jet sizes even though the secondary must flow more fuel.
12. On the 5200, I used the MitiVac to measure the power valve opening point. It starts to open as the vacuum drops below 5". I think this means that the power valve was closing at high RPM's since the vacuum was all the way up at 4.5". From the routing of the channels, it looks like the power valve only affects the primary.
13. I didn't make any adjustments to the air bleeds.
14. www.racetep has some good info. They sell a Weber factory tuning manual that has lots of good technical info about how Webers work, but still no step by step tuning guide.

Here are my current settings:
main jet primary 130
main jet secondary 145
air jet primary 165
air jet seconday 160
idle jet primary 45
idle jet secondary 40
primary speed 1 1/2 turns
primary mixture 1 1/4 T
secondary speed 3/4T

Jerry
 
I would like to see everyones lastest jetting setup for there 32/36 weber on a 200. Also what you think about your settings.
 
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