All Small Six T5 swap on 1983 3.3 200

[awasson]

The issue is he has a big bell engine/block, they only came with an auto with a 164 tooth flex plate and no clutch/ manual trans. That I know of. They can be modded to use the 157 flywheel and its bellhousing which is more common or a 164 flywheel and its bellhousing but is unnessary for most and harder to fit. The 9'' 136 flywheeel will fit the crank but no way to mount starter.

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that.

In the long run after he's acquired and modded the 157 flywheel and its bell-housing, he's got the advantage of using the bigger clutch that @Jmustang_65 has so it's more of a win.

Would I be correct in assuming the bell-housing that fits the 157 flywheel bolts up to a T5 without mods or an adapter or is that a top loader 4-speed bell-housing?

 

[Jmustang_65]

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that.

In the long run after he's acquired and modded the 157 flywheel and its bell-housing, he's got the advantage of using the bigger clutch that @Jmustang_65 has so it's more of a win.

Would I be correct in assuming the bell-housing that fits the 157 flywheel bolts up to a T5 without mods or an adapter or is that a top loader 4-speed bell-housing?

That's correct. He will just need to make/drill the 2 upper holes to fit the block. It was a tight fit/on edge so I added inserts and ran a 1/4-20 bolt on the upper 2 bolts.

 

[powerband]

" the issue is he has a big bell engine/block, they only came with an auto with a 164 tooth flex plate and no clutch/ manual trans. That I know of. They can be modded to use the 157 flywheel and its bellhousing which is more common or a 164 flywheel and its bellhousing but is unnessary for most and harder to fit. The 9'' 136 flywheeel will fit the crank but no way to mount starter."
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That's why I find the 200 flange 157T FW from MDL so unique - it has no matching BH. Adapting a typical SBF V8 BH uses the regular 157T BH's starter mounting , same as SBF V8. Machine work for something similar could easily exceed MDL's FW cost.
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the 157 T FW was used with earlier 302 blocks and with the typical 80's Mustang T5 Bellhouse. Early 157T (Toploader) BH's all used PUSH linkage with 'Throw Out' arms. Late 70's / 80's used CABLE PULL Throw Out setup. Cable PULL throw out can be simply converted to original early car PUSH linkage.

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80's Mustang SBF T5 157T BH / Cable to Push fulcrum with cable mount sawed off (E3ZR) :
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have (3 Pedal) fun

 

[marquis83]

Pick up a used 50 oz unbalanced 10.5 inch 5.0 164 teeth Mustang flywheel and have it zero balanced. Have a machinist slot the six bolts to 2.75 " centres. Then buy a Fox post 1982 clutch cable and pedal assembly.

The stock T5 bellhousing has to be redrilled with the two top bolt bosses bought down to suit.

Read Terry, user Falcon60.

See this post.

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Thread 'New 200 build is running!'

Nov 7, 2006

Hi all-

Just did an intro over on the other page,and thought I'd let you know what I've been up to. I have a '60 Falcon 2 dr HT with 144/3 spd manual. Too slow for me,so I built a 200. I work in an engine shop,so all machine work was done by me. I used 6cc cast pistons (.040"),decked the block .045" to get the pistons .005" out of the hole. The head is a C5 casting with 1.69/1.38 valves,all new hard seats and guides installed,pocket ported and guide bosses cleaned up,carb hole enlarged to 1.750 and radiused into the log.Springs are 302 exhaust and retainers are 302 intake. Pressure...

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• Forum: 144-250 "Small Block" Six Performance

Your costs are speedo drive, correct tail shaft length, flywheel, clutch cable, pedal self adjuster and pendant, 5.0 T5 bellhousing. And two machining operations, Zero balance and pitch centre redrill. The bellhousing top bolt change, if you have a drill press, you can do it yourself.

I'm pretty sure I have a mustang flywheel in my shed, it would be great to use that for this swap

 

[powerband]

'm pretty sure I have a mustang flywheel in my shed, it would be great to use that for this swap

.OEM Mustang Ford FW will be either 28oz or 50oz imbalance/external balance which cannot be used on 200 or 250 . Aftermarket FW's often have interchangeable bolt-on weights which can be deleted for a Neutral balance FW necessary for both 200 application and native 250 application.
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Milling the cast FW weight off and slot the six fasteners bolt holes sounds expensive unless you're a capable machinist. To slot the FW's bolt bores would not add confidence at high RPM shifts / shock loads .
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'did find my application for the OEM 50oz imbalance Ford 5.0 OEM FW :

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have fun

 

[Jmustang_65]

These flywheels that can have weights removed to make them nuetral/0 oz balance.

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[marquis83]

.OEM Mustang Ford FW will be either 28oz or 50oz imbalance/external balance which cannot be used on 200 or 250 . Aftermarket FW's often have interchangeable bolt-on weights which can be deleted for a Neutral balance FW necessary for both 200 application and native 250 application.
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Milling the cast FW weight off and slot the six fasteners bolt holes sounds expensive unless you're a capable machinist. To slot the FW's bolt bores would not add confidence at high RPM shifts / shock loads .
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'did find my application for the OEM 50oz imbalance Ford 5.0 OEM FW :
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have fun

I'm sure I'm getting all of 80hp if i'm lucky, so not super worried about it. Hell I was only planning on using 4/6 bellhousing bolts.

Currently waiting for the clutch quadrant to come in so I can put in the pedal assembly.

Current costs

Pedal Assembly $200 (ouch)
Transmission $200
Quadrant $20

I guess it would also be a good idea to add a racing tach to the build

 

[bmbm40]

I'm sure I'm getting all of 80hp if i'm lucky, so not super worried about it. Hell I was only planning on using 4/6 bellhousing bolts.

Currently waiting for the clutch quadrant to come in so I can put in the pedal assembly.

Current costs

Pedal Assembly $200 (ouch)
Transmission $200
Quadrant $20

I guess it would also be a good idea to add a racing tach to the build

Yes sir the racing tach should add at least 5hp.