turbo update finally

finding .040" forged pistons will be TOUGH.

Cast pistons are fine, as are factory rod bolts.
RPM's kill rod bolts, not boost.

I am SURE you can find a cheap 200 ( <$100 ) to toss in there while you are waiting to have that engine done. I would do it because it sucks to have a vehicle just sit.
 
There is a hypereutectic set from ACL with premium rings: 6MKRY9411 - add suffix H for file fit rings. Dish volume 8cc, though - may be too squeezy.

Regards, Adam.
 
Linc's 200":1tptowdb said:
finding .040" forged pistons will be TOUGH.

Cast pistons are fine, as are factory rod bolts.
RPM's kill rod bolts, not boost.

I am SURE you can find a cheap 200 ( <$100 ) to toss in there while you are waiting to have that engine done. I would do it because it sucks to have a vehicle just sit.
Had to end up working Saturday, so got access to a computer now.
OK, if I cannot find them early enough for the machinist I will use the originals.
It just so happens I seem to have caught the machinist at a slow time, the block was already disassembled Friday after lunch and he said he was getting ready to deck and bore. Even if it takes a week or two, it sure is better than the valve job that took almost 6 months.
Sure do thank you for the info.

Kirk
 
Kirk,
Call Mike (AZCoupe). He can get a set of JE Pistons. They are forged and at .040 over. They already have the program ready. That's the same size we're using.
All it takes is a CC number!
Later,
Will
 
Does10s":1charr9u said:
Kirk,
Call Mike (AZCoupe). He can get a set of JE Pistons. They are forged and at .040 over. They already have the program ready. That's the same size we're using.
All it takes is a CC number!
Later,
Will
Hey Will appreciate the info, but I will have to stick with the cast for now for I just spent $2500.00 on a transmission overhaul for my excursion PSD...OUCH! Well at least it made it to 103,000 miles on that first generation 4-speed AOD that Ford put in this thing. Adios.

Kirk
ps. just waiting on the ARP main studs from Mike to get here.
 
The machinist just quoted me $952.00 for the entire rebuild (balance, decking, line-bore, parts, everthing) and he is now starting it, hopefully done next week.
I have heard of V8's going for at least twice that much. Talk to y'all later.

Kirk
 
Well got the block back last Weds night and put it all together Thurs and Fri night. Got it timed initially @ 11 degrees BTDC, 13-14 adv centrifically and no vacuum adv hooked up. Started with 72 jets, too rich, so went to 68 jets and still there. Problem is from 1000-2000 rpms I have a bog, but after 2000 rpms it shoots out like a rocket. It does this boosted and NA. I am going to play w/ timing some more, maybe even hook up the port side vacuum to the adv on the dizzy. Just needs something till the boost starts coming on, the engine feels bland until it hits.

To let y'all know took it to a bronco "get-together" this weekend here in Texas and Holley carb does not like rockin' around and climbing rocks too much, but it did good though. Everyone was just about to crap in their pants over the turbo'ed six, lots of heads turned when the BOV let loose and I got a lot of nice compliments (feels good). One guy from Turbonetics was there and took lots of pics of the engine, especially the Turbonetics carb bonnet.
And I couldn't get out of there with out doing the sand drags, even though only ten hours on the new engine 'cause got a "reputation" to protect. After winning two of the drags, "POP" goes the head gasket and steam out of the exhaust, but it still runs, limping back to the trailer. So that is where I stand. I have the Fel-Pro left over from the engine rebuild kit and will use that for now (WOW, 3 head gaskets in less than 3 months).
Long story short, I thought turbo was over spinning, it was making a very high piched whine in higher rpms, suspected waste-gate actuator and yes it was stuck closed. Made a loud "pop" when I used the air hose to it. It seems to keep the boost down now, I haven't really checked it yet, and I did take off that manual boost controller.
That's all for now, more later. Adios.

Kirk
 
I think you need "quarter-turn" head bolts!

Good on you for getting out there; it's great to read about someone having fun with their ride.
 
kirkallen143":33sxp9k1 said:
I thought turbo was over spinning, it was making a very high piched whine in higher rpms, suspected waste-gate actuator and yes it was stuck closed.

Dang, I wonder what boost it ran up to. Next time, get some race gas in the tank!
 
Linc's 200":1w58if5k said:
kirkallen143":1w58if5k said:
I thought turbo was over spinning, it was making a very high piched whine in higher rpms, suspected waste-gate actuator and yes it was stuck closed.

Dang, I wonder what boost it ran up to. Next time, get some race gas in the tank!

I haven't seen it go over 12 psi @ 4500rpm, but who knows I am trying to keep my eyes on the road and hands on the wheel.
I am going to limit my initial timing setting to @ 6 or 8 degrees and Linc, nothing even close to race gas in this hick town of mine, but I have thought about it.

Kirk
 
Yep, you got me good Kirk. I'm glad I got to be the first to race ya'. I couldn't find anyone that I could beat out there. I thought I could beat the blue uncut, but he got me too. He was running a 302 though.

Checked my timing today and it was waaaay off.

Good to see ya', let's not make it a year to get together.

Jerry
 
bigjhoov":3kc93f1s said:
Yep, you got me good Kirk. I'm glad I got to be the first to race ya'. I couldn't find anyone that I could beat out there. I thought I could beat the blue uncut, but he got me too. He was running a 302 though.

Checked my timing today and it was waaaay off.

Good to see ya', let's not make it a year to get together.

Jerry

Hey Jerry,
First up your timing to 12 degrees BTDC ( of course that's using 93 octane) and I have that old carb off of a big 240 inline 6 and you are more than welcome to it. I beat Jason Hall three times in the sand drags w/ that set up and he runs a V-8. Just need the later head w/ the larger intake manifold opening (1.75" I think), and get some better air flow into that carb if you haven't already (and yes it helps also to have a better flowing exhaust, too). You can have my old "ram-air" set up, too if you want it. Good to talk to ya again, have a good one.

Kirk
 
Hey all,
Been over at Turbomustangs.com and been thinking about that bog/flat spot at part throttle, so how does this plan sounds w/out actually locking out the dizzy. Set initial to @ 6-8 degrees (maybe even lower or back to stock), connect manifold vacuum to advance unit on the dizzy (I think it advances @ 12 degrees, I think) with centrifical limited at 12-14 degrees. Thinking since vacuum is lost when the boost comes on this ought to keep me around that 20-22 degrees at full boost while helping the off the throttle situation I have, and keeping the timing high for normal cruising.
Or, use ported vacuum instead (which would have the lower timing for start ups), but it seems ported vacuum would not come in once on the throttle until it is too late, maybe it is just good for your cruising/economy. Manifold vacuum is already there at idle and would be until the centrifical adv. took over. They have this same situation in a diagram in the Hugh McInnes book, but use an inline check valve and an orfice, also. What do y'all think? Just better to try it and find out for myself, huh.

Kirk
 
Alrighty then,
Been at TurboMustangs.com again, I have figured my situation with the timing issues. Only run the vac adv line from the manifold side (port side does funny things) and limit the total adv to @ 20 degrees at 3000 rpms (in which centrifical adv should be all in by then). Now at light-load/cruise your total timing will be higher because of no/low boost levels which is what you want. Sounds OK to me.
I need to ask this, it is better to run your boost gauge off of the manifold vacuum under the carb, correct? I have seen this before somewhere, just wanted to ask. Mine now is referenced to the bonnet, maybe that is why I am seeing at least 12 psi on the gauge. Thank fellers for listening, have a good one!

Kirk
 


Without words what do ya think? Seems to be the problem, does anyone make a solid copper gasket for us?
Well, time to try the Fel Pro (only becuase it came w/ the rebuild kit) and lower the total timing to @ 20 degrees, of course. Y'all have a good one.

Kirk
 
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