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turbo 200 build

Post #1 by 67Straightsix » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:09 pm

I have my intake and headers mocked up on the engine. I'm going a little different direction than most people on the forum, so I'm posting some pictures
of the build so far.

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The head has been ported - I'm using 1.46 ex. and 1.75 int. - have forged pistons and a.r.p. bolts
I'm using Holley HP for my fuel and ignition management and Ford throttlebody

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #2 by gus91326 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:55 pm

Awesome! Looks the business!

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Post #3 by pmuller9 » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:15 pm

That's outstanding!
Well planned.
Should make some serious power.

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Post #4 by bmbm40 » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:55 am

That looks great!
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Post #5 by JackFish » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:46 am

Looks scary! :shock: :wow:
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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #6 by 67Straightsix » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:52 pm

Thanks for the positive comments - it's been mind boggling trying to make this all work together. I've been working on the headers for a month - a lot of
trial and error, but finally got a design that works/fits. I made the intake first, which was an error - I'm going to have to redesign the plenum to raise it up above
the header a bit. The serpentine belt layout was no picnic - took several bracket designs and pulley locations to make the water pump turn in the right direction.

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #7 by xctasy » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:26 am

Nice work. You've got it going on. :mrgreen: Nice serp drive. 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 were total mess years for me from the perspective of what I'd have liked, with nothing really getting finished. I know you'll get on with making it work well.


After years of saying the same thing, its lovely to see people like yourself being creative, and having a go. A MIG welder and some bends and RHS, whats not to like? How can you not improve on what was so restrictive in stock format. If a person can do 15's with a 205 flywheel hp 500cfm 2-bbl non turbo log head, what when the head is liberated of its flow inducing shackles? We'd seen common boost ratios of 2.1 times for stock power verses boosted in the old days of draw throughs, and its likely you'll start off with perhaps 240 hp naturally asprirated with thst set up if its was 10:1 compression withot a turbo, and with a 2.1:1 boost ratio at 15 psi, you'd see 480 hp flywheel even if it is at 7.5:1 or so.


(NB// Re your recent PMs thanks for the offers on posting those serpentine drive photos earlier, but, I have no info for you on the rockers aside from what was put in my recent post on rocker ratios. What I know is "If you work through the basics, you'll end up with a great result just using a few American smarts". The solutions in rocker arms are in shifting stuff to make it work, just like you intake. That's not a mistake, its a consequnce of optimization. Good fortune).
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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #8 by 67Straightsix » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:07 am

xctasy, thanks, your posts are always helpful. The reason I started this post is because I've seen a lot of awesome builds on this site and I wanted to put my ideas out there and get some feedback. I appreciate the input.

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Post #9 by Badnews1 » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:18 pm

That pipe gave me a head ache.

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #10 by First Fox » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:06 pm

Nice!

What kind of time frame are you working with? Will this thing be up and running like say this summer or longer term?

Looks awesome, and I look forward to seeing the progress!
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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #11 by 67Straightsix » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:10 am

First Fox wrote:Nice!

What kind of time frame are you working with? Will this thing be up and running like say this summer or longer term?

!


I have to finish the intake and all the engine mods will be finished. Then wiring,and tuning. Really trying to have it running by spring.

Badnews1, trying to weld all the joints in the right sequence has given me lots of head aches.

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Post #12 by drag-200stang » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:37 am

I like what I see. So glad you did not just hack it off to put a "four barrel" on it. mpefi is what these engines need under boost.
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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #13 by 67Straightsix » Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:08 pm

Here's some pictures of the manifold/turbo/intake in the car - the motor is sitting a 1/2" too far to the passenger side, so the header doesn't actually touch the
fender well like it shows in the picture. Question: how much room should I allow between the header and the plenum? Right now tubes 4 and 5 come about
3/8" from the plenum) But it looks like it's all going to fit...barely!


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Post #14 by xctasy » Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:45 pm

drag-200stang wrote:I like what I see. So glad you did not just hack it off to put a "four barrel" on it. mpefi is what these engines need under boost.


Me too. I love what I see.

But believe me, you can put a 4-bbl on it with out hackin it up. I've spent years 'leaving the log'


Its just that what has been done by 67Straightsix, along with Fast64Ranchero, and JTTurbo, totally corrects all the nasty porting problems that infest this iron testment to low cost production. EFI is the right way.

I love your EFI system too drag-200stang.

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Post #15 by pmuller9 » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:42 am

67Straightsix wrote:Here's some pictures of the manifold/turbo/intake in the car - the motor is sitting a 1/2" too far to the passenger side, so the header doesn't actually touch the
fender well like it shows in the picture. Question: how much room should I allow between the header and the plenum? Right now tubes 4 and 5 come about
3/8" from the plenum) But it looks like it's all going to fit...barely!


Thermal Ceramic Coat the header to keep the primary pipes cool, heat away from the plenum and also out of the engine compartment.
Your header will last a lot longer and the turbo setup will run more efficiently without the heat loss.
You put too much work into the exhaust system not to have it protected.

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Post #16 by 67Straightsix » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:54 pm

I got a few more things done - decided to change the intake design to give more room between the plenum and the headers. Also, mounted the crankshaft sensor- it ended up being 180 degrees off of where I planned on putting it. It looks simple in the picture, but it took a long time to figure out :bang: Getting very close to having all my engine fabrication done - next step is to wire in the computer and start it up! I decided to abandon the 40 EDIS and go with coil on plug because I can fine tune the dwell more precisely. Hopefully the next time I post the engine will be complete and painted - getting excited :D pmuller9 thanks for the information. I'll be contacting them soon.
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Post #17 by bubba22349 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:28 am

:beer: great job, when I first saw that bundle of snakes header set I didn't think that they were being made to fit into an early Mustang body that still had spring towers. Good luck :nod:
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Post #18 by pmuller9 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:10 am

Really looking good!
I'm not a fan of waste spark ignition for power adder applications. Glad to see you switching to single coil per cylinder.
Are you doing "coil on" or "coil near"?
Which coils will you be using?

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Post #19 by 67Straightsix » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:05 pm

I'm going with coil near - going to get them from a ( gasp, choke) chevy LS. The coils are D585.

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Post #20 by pmuller9 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:43 pm

67Straightsix wrote:I'm going with coil near - going to get them from a ( gasp, choke) chevy LS. The coils are D585.


Yep, the LS2/Truck coil will get the job done.
Just make sure the dwell time is not more than 4.5 msec.

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Post #21 by 66Sprint6 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:19 pm

Looks awesome! Your headers make mine look like less of a headache!!! I was happy to design something that would fit nice and tidy and not interfere with anything along the way...yours take up every bit of room and then some. Cant wait to see how it goes and how the EFI works for you. I want to go EFI for sure but will stick with the carb till I can recoup some $$$. Good luck, keep it up!

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Post #22 by 67Straightsix » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:50 pm

66Sprint6 wrote:Looks awesome! Your headers make mine look like less of a headache!!! I was happy to design something that would fit nice and tidy and not interfere with anything along the way...yours take up every bit of room and then some.

Matt


Your set-up is clean - I had the a/c to work around, which made things complicated.
I've finished the adapter for the 5.0 bell housing and have got my coil bracket made - I just have to make the throttle body adapter and then all my fabrication
on the motor will be done!! :beer: Then the wiring begins...

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Post #23 by 66Sprint6 » Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:56 pm

Diggin the coil brackets for sure! Man, so many ideas to be stolen from this build, keep posting it up!

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Post #24 by drag-200stang » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:02 am

How is it going?
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Post #25 by 67Straightsix » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:36 pm

I'm still plugging away - they say the devils in the details. I knew what I was getting into when I started this build, but I underestimated the amount of custom parts I would have to design and fabricate :shock: Put the engine in car (finished fabricating the engine mounts) to get an idea of how everything is going to fit - see pics. I've been working on getting my flywheel/transmission/starter adaption finished - in the process of building my trans mount (I'm moving the trans and motor back approx 2" for better weight distribution) I'm also working on finishing the intake manifold - I have to cut several inches off the front of the intake plenum (the radiator outlet is right in line with the throttle body). Also making mounting brackets for radiator, intercooler and condenser. I reconfigured the radiator mounting to hide the intercooler so the front of the car will look stock (it's now stiffer, a little lighter and I can un-bolt the whole thing so it makes engine installation much easier)
I have a question - any suggestions for which spark plugs would be best to run with the Chevy coils?
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Post #26 by Soldmy66 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:57 pm

67 - you may want to verify those links. They do not appear to be working.

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Post #27 by bubba22349 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 1:42 pm

For plugs I like the Autolite or Mortorcraft copper plugs they are quite reasonable in cost or after you get it all dialed in if want you can go to the higher end Platnum or iridium type plugs. You might start out with about 2 ranges colder then stock. Good luck :nod:
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Post #28 by 67Straightsix » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:00 am

The last few months have been busy so I haven't touched the car. Finally started working on it again last weekend. Finished the intake, mounted the radiator, condenser, intercooler and making lots of various brackets :roll: Starting on the wiring for the computer - I'm using the Holly HP EFI. Looks like it will be a pretty straight forward installation. Here's a couple pics on how it's coming along...

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Question... On the idle air control: does the incoming air come from the low pressure side of the turbo or the pressurized side of the turbo?

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Post #29 by pmuller9 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:34 am

67Straightsix wrote: Question... On the idle air control: does the incoming air come from the low pressure side of the turbo or the pressurized side of the turbo?

Not sure what you are asking.
Holley HP uses a 4 wire stepper motor type IAC to change the stop distance on the throttle body to adjust the idle.
In your case the throttle body is mounted to the front of the plenum which is the pressure side.

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Post #30 by drag-200stang » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:32 am

Have you read my posts on the "crankcase ventilation" below, and what is your plan ?
PS you are doing a great job. :thumbup:......Speed it up I want to use your experience on the 200 with the Holley efi, so I can do mine. :wink:
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Post #31 by 67Straightsix » Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:26 pm

pmuller9 wrote:Not sure what you are asking.


When the I.A.C is open it bypasses the throttle body. On a stock engine the air the I.A.C is letting in is drawn from a source just behind the air filter.
On a turbo engine if the I.A.C opens when the plenum is under boost, wouldn't air go out instead of in? Hope I explained the question a little better.

drag-200stang wrote:Have you read my posts on the "crankcase ventilation" below, and what is your plan ?

I've been following it closely - it was a detail I would have overlooked. So glad you posted before I finished. Thinking about venting through the fuel pump block off plate - Still working out the details.

I've said this before...but, it will be running this spring :lol:
Just want to thank all you guys for your input - I would have dropped a V8 in this puppy a long time ago if not for this forum!

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Post #32 by pmuller9 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:55 pm

67Straightsix wrote:When the I.A.C is open it bypasses the throttle body. On a stock engine the air the I.A.C is letting in is drawn from a source just behind the air filter.
On a turbo engine if the I.A.C opens when the plenum is under boost, wouldn't air go out instead of in? Hope I explained the question a little better.

It was my fault. It was late and for some reason I was thing carb I.A.C. instead of EFI based I.A.C.

The I.A.C. valve should not be opened unless the engine rpm tries to go below target idle rpm.
That would not happen under boost. Is there some condition you are thinking about that would tell the ECU to activate the I.A.C. valve?

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Post #33 by 67Straightsix » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:39 pm

pmuller9 wrote:
The I.A.C. valve should not be opened unless the engine rpm tries to go below target idle rpm.
That would not happen under boost. Is there some condition you are thinking about that would tell the ECU to activate the I.A.C. valve?


Thanks - This is my first attempt at building a turbo charged engine so I'm probably asking obvious questions - I just want to make sure I cover all the bases and not assume anything (that will come back and bite me :shock: )

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Post #34 by pmuller9 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:14 pm

67Straightsix wrote:Thanks - This is my first attempt at building a turbo charged engine so I'm probably asking obvious questions - I just want to make sure I cover all the bases and not assume anything (that will come back and bite me :shock: )


I've got to say that this is one of the best effort to do a "No holds Barred" street/strip straight six turbo build that I have seen.
Absolutely great planning and fabricating.
Looking forward to the end result.

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Post #35 by bmbm40 » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:57 pm

That is a fantastic accomplishment and the workmanship is top notch. I hope you have enough money left to replace the rear tires often! Good pictures too.
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Post #36 by clintonvillian » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:13 am

Did I miss it? Which head are you using? Did you shave the log off?

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Post #37 by 67Straightsix » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:30 pm

I appreciate the encouraging comments - It helps me know that I'm still on track.

clintonvillian wrote:Did I miss it? Which head are you using? Did you shave the log off?

The heads are from an early '70 200 - they're heavily ported. Yes, I shaved the log and exhaust off. If someone is going to do this, you need to
plan carefully on the mounting stud location (there's not a lot of room).

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Post #38 by clintonvillian » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:12 am

Are you making a custom gasket?

If so out of what?

And, any chance you can give us the dimensions on your stud locations?

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Post #39 by 67Straightsix » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:10 pm

clintonvillian wrote:Are you making a custom gasket?

If so out of what?

And, any chance you can give us the dimensions on your stud locations?


Mr. Gasket sells blank intake and exhaust gasket material, so I'm trying that. The intake gasket is easy to cut - the exhaust gasket has been a challenge because the material has an aluminum honeycomb material embedded in it. I'm going to make a die to punch the exhaust holes.

In hindsight I would bolt an adapter plate over the intake and exhaust ports and fasten the manifolds to that (reference Fast64Ranchero) Right now I have one stud under the header tube and one above. The current location is not ideal - it works well for sealing the intake but I have to use the same studs for the exhaust manifold. I had to use little brackets on the header tubes and I'm concerned about vibration and cracking. All this being said, if you still want the dimensions I'll get them for you :lol:
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Post #40 by 67Straightsix » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:12 pm

I've wired the computer - it's went fairly smoothly. I'm using a Holly HP with unterminated harness (most of their applications are "plug and play"). Here's a quick installation review:
Overall, the instructions were easy to follow - there is no information on the sensor pins as far as positive/negative (had to look it up online). I was trying to use as many Ford parts as possible (IAC,TPS etc.) which are compatible, but trying to find a wiring schematic to adapt them to the Holley was a real pain. Spent way too much time searching for that then I would have liked :bang: In hindsight I would just stick with Holley or GM components and be done with it. Otherwise, it's straight forward, just tedious and time consuming.
Also, got my pulley system finalized - found a belt and mounted my crank wheel.
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:beer: very nice workmanship :wow: :nod:
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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #42 by drag-200stang » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:48 am

On the early blocks there is a bolt boss 9'' back from the bell , at the pan rail on both sides , later blocks the passenger side was deleted..They are there for bracing some auto trans..One on each side , a brace went from there to the bottom of the bell. Can not see if you went 360 on your block plate that would help the triangle of strength. :thumbup:
66 Mustang Coupe
200 turbo w/lenco 4-spd
stock adj. rockers, stock timing set, ARP studs
best 1/4 mile ET 9.85/best mph 139 on 8 lbs progressing to 15 lbs boost
Went 9's when 10's was fast.

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #43 by clintonvillian » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:48 pm

You are making me sooooooo happy!

Finally someone that is going to have some experience with the HP!

Looking good! Can't wait to get back on mine.......the shop is getting closer, hopefully by this summer I'll be back in car building mode.

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #44 by 67Straightsix » Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:43 pm

drag-200stang wrote:On the early blocks there is a bolt boss 9'' back from the bell , at the pan rail on both sides , later blocks the passenger side was deleted..They are there for bracing some auto trans..One on each side , a brace went from there to the bottom of the bell. Can not see if you went 360 on your block plate that would help the triangle of strength. :thumbup:


I went with a 1/4" plate cut to match the block (180). I do have bolt holes on both sides, but have not made brackets.
As an aside- for anyone who wants to do a 302 bell housing swap using a high torque starter, you'll need to trim the block a bit (see pic)
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I've got the engine on the test stand - which I made from a diesel pump trailer. Need to finish wiring, connecting the fuel system and a hundred other small details before the test start - getting close though. I'm going to run it without the turbo until I get the base program right, then run it with turbo before it goes into the car.
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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #45 by pmuller9 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:47 am

I'm excited. This is better than waiting for some highly rated feature film to premier at a theater.

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #46 by drag-200stang » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:25 pm

I all ways thought that bolt hole by your stater looked sketchy..So I added one toward the drivers side where the block ear is nice and thick..But I tend to over do things.
Keep up the good work. :thumbup:
66 Mustang Coupe
200 turbo w/lenco 4-spd
stock adj. rockers, stock timing set, ARP studs
best 1/4 mile ET 9.85/best mph 139 on 8 lbs progressing to 15 lbs boost
Went 9's when 10's was fast.

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #47 by bubba22349 » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:35 pm

:beer: really coming along! Be sure to post some videos of it running both with and without the Turbo for a comparison. :thumbup: :nod:
A bad day Drag Racing is still better than a good day at work!

I am still hunting for a project car to build but with my current low budget it's not looking so good. My Ex- Fleet of Sixes these are all long gone! :bang: 1954 Customline 223 3 speed with O/D, 1963 Fairlane project drag car with BB6, 1977 Maverick 250 with C4, 1994 F-150 a 300 with 5 speed.

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #48 by 67Straightsix » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:50 am

drag-200stang wrote:I all ways thought that bolt hole by your stater looked sketchy..So I added one toward the drivers side where the block ear is nice and thick..But I tend to over do things.
Keep up the good work. :thumbup:


When I had the starter on the mock up block I though I had the interference problem solved. The casting on this block is a little different. Drilling a new hole is probably the smart thing to do. Thought adapting a 302 bell housing was going to be one of the easier mods I made, that thing has been a pain.

bubba, My wife has informed me she will be there documenting the start up. (she's the official photographer)

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #49 by 67Straightsix » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:54 pm

I wasn't planning on posting until the engine was actually running, but I ran into a snafu. I've come to the conclusion that this is probably the most odd-ball engine that the Holley system has ever been used on. I found a local Holley tech guy to help me set up the parameters so I thought this would go somewhat smoothly - and it did, up until we started checking injector firing sequence - there was no signal to the injectors. We traced it to the cam sensor which has no signal. Spent all day trouble-shooting (checked wiring and replaced the sensor) and still no signal. I'm using 2002 mustang 3.8 two pin sensor which doesn't seem to be compatible with the Holley. I think I should have probably went with a three pin. Information on the Ford cam sensor is scarce. I'm suspecting that the voltage requirements for the Ford and Holley are different - does anyone know what voltage the Ford operates on? Other than that, things are coming along - slowly...

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Re: turbo 200 build

Post #50 by pmuller9 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:52 am

The 2 wire cam position sensor is a magnetic reluctor sensor and puts out a pulse as the reluctor swings past the coil.
Polarity is important. The ECU is looking for a zero crossing as the pulse goes from positive to negative.

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