Save my 6 from my dad? :)

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Hey guys,
I'm new here and ive been reading thru as many posts as i can. My christmas project is to do some fix up work on my 65 with a 200. Dad is wanting to do a 302 with a t5. i'd like to mod the 6 and put the t5. If i can make a convincing argument in the next 2 days, i might get my wish. i need to be able to find all parts in the next 2 weeks and get em for probly the $1200 range.

-do i need to hunt a newer model head? if so, what from?

if i do lose out to a 302, ill keep my I6 and be talkin with yall to try to make it better. i like differentness. ill keep reading, but if i can get some quick input, i'd be happy. thanks.

forrest
 
for parts id say anything from www.classicinlines.com will be perfect for it and with $1200 u will be able to get quite alot i also recommend the falcon performance handbook which is also offered there although that isnt performance it may help u to convince ur dad cause it shows alot of easy mods that u can do for almost no moeny and also helps u to understand wut mods respond well to the 200

as for heads i would recommend saving up for the Aluminum one but since ur on a time constraint the best stock heads will be from a later model 200 cause they had larger valves and a bigger intake there was also a head made in Australia that really helps these motors out its an after market head that has a detachable 2brl intake

and if u stay with a stock head i recommend upgrading to a 2brl carb via adapter or having the head machined to accept a 2brl

i hope i helped u out some

oohh yea welcome to the site and i hope u find all of ur answers and r able to convince ur dad to let u keep the I6 and if u want video help look for track vids from Does10s
 
im looking at possibly going turbo because budget wise that seems to be a good route. is turboing with a stock American intake reasonable? it seems that the turbo helps overcome some of its downfalls.
 
thatforestkid,
Yes turbo'ing the log head works great. Linc's200 did a great job on his with a 1bbl carb! My wife's Falcon ran a log head with a Holley 2bbl and ended up going 11.85@110 in the quarter. And it is still very streetable.

I guarantee that you'll have more fun hoppin' up the six and going fast, then putting in the 302 like everybody else does.

Good luck!!
Will
Mustang Boy mentioned a video of my wife's car; check out
http://www.southernarizonamustangclub.org/galleries_events/gp2005/videos/Kelly_10-22-05.WMV
BTW...the Fairmont that she's betting has a 302.
Pics....
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/686815
 
thatforrestkid":1vn9zwc0 said:
Is turboing with a stock American intake reasonable? It seems that the turbo helps overcome some of its downfalls.

Sure can. I would be able to run a 12.99 in the 1/4 with a good launch. I'm building a new head for the new engine with a milled flat area to mount a 2 bbl on it.
 
Wasn't someone already selling their turbo on ebay? Is it sold yet? Pretty good pricee from what I remember. Ready to bolt on to your 6! Tell your dad you guys will havee thee only 'stang on the block with "GT200" instead of GT350!

Don't make fun of my ee's.

-Mikee
 
65Stang200":3auajjj7 said:
Wasn't someone already selling their turbo on ebay?

Got a url ?

I just sold one to tommy....look out Florida!
 
i may have just not found the place yet, but help me out? is there somewhere i can look at pictures of your stuff, like up close? lincs 200 for instance, i would like to see some closer up pics of your setup so i can get some ideas.
 
Sorry Forrest, your car is a 65 and mine is a Fox...so yours is a little narrower inside and you would have to put the turbo farther forward than where mine is because of where your shock towers are.

Do a search for " import killer " and see how he mounted his. He used a turbo from a 3.8 liter Buick GN.
 
Does10s":2njrzpj8 said:
thatforestkid,
Yes turbo'ing the log head works great. Linc's200 did a great job on his with a 1bbl carb! My wife's Falcon ran a log head with a Holley 2bbl and ended up going 11.85@110 in the quarter. And it is still very streetable.

I guarantee that you'll have more fun hoppin' up the six and going fast, then putting in the 302 like everybody else does.

Good luck!!
Will
Mustang Boy mentioned a video of my wife's car; check out
http://www.southernarizonamustangclub.org/galleries_events/gp2005/videos/Kelly_10-22-05.WMV
BTW...the Fairmont that she's betting has a 302.
Pics....
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/686815

what head is on your wifes car in the never pics?
 
Will and Kelly replaced the US log head with an Australian head
 
lincs, i enjoyed your novel, i mean post a few pages back. several people mentioned similar goals to me on there, but i need to find them and see if they did anything. dad said that if i can prove a daily driver 220-250 setup, he'll bite. so now i've got to show him a setup that can do it and get it installed before i head back to college jan 6.

so im reading posts as quick as i can, but if you can refer me to any specifically that relate to a '65 200 with a 1bbl. ive got an autolite 1100 and some other one i think is a 1946 but ive got to do some lookin on that. gonna put a t5 and want 25 mpg at 60 or 70. no strip time. any nudges are appreciated! ill send ya a christmas present :)

forrest
 
I dont get it. Even if the I6 needs rebuilt it would be better to leave it in the car than putting a 302 in it(if you fix the I6). I think trying to do a turbo install in this short of time & money is pushing things a little. But I dont see why the I6 cant be a great daily driver even without the turbo. You could build a great bottom end with forged pistons & rods and leave the rest stoke for now. But your bottom end would be ready for a turbo. Then when the new Aluminum head gets out add it & a good cam. Then put the turbo system on. Unless your engine is in very good shape this is what I would do. If the engine is in this good a shape then put the turbo on. No reason it cant be a good daily driver if the Carb & fuel system are setup good and boost is keep to a resonable level. $1200.00 is just not much to work with though. And getting a fuel system/carb dialed in for a turbo setup takes time. If the equipment is there to do it & the time is taken to set it up then no problem. It will daily drive just as good as anything else. A lot of times even better fuel milage can be had when driven right. But being pushed for time is not the way to install a turbo system. Put your money into the bottom of the engine. It will run very good and be ready for when you can do this right.

Jess
 
thatforrestkid":1jv4dck5 said:
i've got to show him a setup that can do it and get it installed before i head back to college jan 6.

It really isn't enough time to do much of anything....even if you already had all the parts on your living room floor
 
No its not much time is it. Easier to work with what is there than changing a bunch of stuff. Although it depends on expeirance with what your working with & what you have. But even just putting the T5 in and maybe doing the bottom end of the I6 could be pushing things the way machine shops are about getting your stuff in and out. I hate seeing a good I6 car getting a V8 gouged in to it. I6's are so much cooler & you get a lot of respect from others for a good running I6, not to meantion good durability & econemy. Much easier to work on & the car handles the engine & handles better. I6 blocks are way stronger than a 302 block to boot.

You dont even need a T5 if it has a good 4 speed already. Even if it is a three speed to swap it to a 4 Speed is a peiece of cake and you can pick them up rebuilt Trans even these days (when the money is right). With a turbo being the goal you dont need a low rear gear so the standard 4 speed will give good econemy with something like a 3.23 or 3.55 rear gear. Dont get me wrong I like a good 5 speed . But like you said with Jan 6 as a dead line and only $1200.00 to work with I would put my efforts to making the I6 as sound as I could and do it in a way that takes you closer to your goals. Like I meantioned building a good stout Bottom end with the right pistons and rods so you have it ready for a turbo later & it would give good power & last a lot of years if done this way. It could take the whole $1200.00 to accomplish this by the time you add things like new hoses,belts, battery,radiator and other things needed for a good dependable car. Then with it being a I6 to make the other upgrades later would be very easy. I mean how hard is it to swap a head and cam & valve train on a I6. Could be done one weekend with the right preperations.

I guess gathering more money after you start school will be kinda hard but 3 or 4 hundred dollars a month put back would have you ready for a complete top end in about 4 months. The Aluminum head will be ready for sale by then and you would have a 250 to 300HP I6 at that piont that was all new even before you get to the turbo part. This is going to out perform & out last any stock 302 & with the right turbo at this piont you would have a 500hp I6 that would scream & last. This would give others time to work out some of the woa's of running the turbo on this setup and make your choices very easy (which turbo,how to mount,which carb). Not to meantion the econemy it will give when it reaches this piont. Anything good is worth waiting on. I know your kinda got to go with what Dad thinks is best but taking this in steps like this will pay off in the long run. It may not be as fun at the very first but a good bottom end will give you more power than you think. Its not like it would be a slug. And I must say working on V8 in these cars is no fun.

Fill us in more with what the car really has right now and what shape it is in. Maybe your Dad has a good 302 setup setting there already. This could mean a lot also. Or your engine is in good shape already. Even if its not built it can stand low boost from a turbo if done right.

One of the really hard & time consuming things about installing a turbo is having a good wideband system on the car to know what needs to be done with the fuel & taking the time to tune it threw all the power band & loads. A lot more reseach towards a turbo would pay off bigtime to so you know what your getting in to. Its not like its that hard but not knowing exactly what you will be running into could cause a lot of problems & short cuts to be taken that would be regreted. But here again it depends on the expierance of your Dad and what you have available. Maybe you have a friend with a dyno, this would make getting it tuned easier. Most people that do a setup like this take a few months getting tuned if they dont have a dyno to do it on. Yes they still drive it in this time but with caustion and restraint. Like I said before. Tuned right it will last just as good & be as drivable as any other setup. And can even get better fuel milage. But tuned wrong & driven in the RPM that it is not tuned right will burn it up very quick. With the right effort & equipment it could be tuned in a matter of days. But most people dont have these things right off to accomplish this.

Well my post has gottin very long I will stop it here. Not meaning to sound negative about it but it does pay to aproach soemthing like this with all the info you can and the time to work threw what you run into . One of the guys has a good post about his expeirance with turboing his bronco that will give you a good idea what you could run into. In the end if you go the turbo I6 route you will be very pleased with your car in many ways. And it will demand the respect of any street car you run into. It just takes time & effort & a well thought out plan. Dont let Dad rush you into a little power now when you can have the real deal in the long run. :)

Jess
 
LUCKY13":21grxgmj said:
The Aluminum head will be ready ... you would have a 250 to 300HP I6 at that piont that was all new even before you get to the turbo part.

This is going to out perform & out last any stock 302 & with the right turbo at this point you would have a 500hp I6 that would scream & last.

That is completely unrealistic. :thumbdown: I don't agree with any of that.

(at least don't expect anywhere near those numbers on a pump gas, daily driver!)
 
if you are looking for about 250 hp I think a good step would be a SVO or GN turbo with a 350 holley for a carb and a SBC fuel pump. toss a duraspark on and I think it would be a low buck combo to make some decent power from. You could blow through a 1v like linc but I think life would be much easier with the 2v (linc does have some mods to that carb to get enough fuel to it) if you go the turbo route start small and work your way up. easier to upgrade as you go instead of trying to dive head in to a 350hp 20psi monster of a motor.
 
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